Trouble with certain Logic Instruments

[Artlowell]

In this case, it's the violin legato section, but it's the same with other string sounds. There's a disturbing little effect at the tail end of elongated notes, especially chords, and I don't know what I'm hearing. The effect sounds a little like when some sounds are played backwards. I think it has to do with the sample player increasing the volume through the duration of the note, and then there's the sudden cut-off (although the reverb lingers on). However, the effect is kinda subtle, and I don't know if that's exactly what's happening. Different violin sounds all do the same thing.

 

I'ld feel better if I knew I'm not the only one who hears this, but mostly, I'd like to know if there's a fix.

 

P.S. Those same voices seem to have a delay, like the the note isn't all there for a fraction of a second. Nothing in the ESX24 shows how to adjust the attack rate.

 

Well, I'll be damned! I just found that the re is an automatable parameter for attack. EWS24>envelop>attack. It solves the "backwards note" sound, but nor the onset of the note, which is still a little late.

 

P.S.P.S. And it continues on. I have been in the practice of allowing the the tail end of the first note to overlap the beginning of the next in order to help create a legato. I'm finding that the less overlap, the less the apparent delay in the onset of the second note.

[David Nahmani]

Trying Violins 1 Legato.

 

I'm not hearing anything out of the ordinary... those are looped samples, meaning they'll loop continuously as long as you hold the key, so you shouldn't have any different effect whether the notes are short or long?

 

The volume envelope is ENV 2 at the bottom left of the EXS 24, you could try adjusting the release time maybe? But basically your EXS 24 continues playing the sample but fades out the volume when you release the key, so all you should hear is a fade out which length is determined by the release time in ENV 2.

 

P.S. I don't hear any delay at all, the note starts the instant I hit a key, however it's not a very sharp attack, more like a slow swell. Adjusting the attack time in ENV 2 can make the swell slower, but not faster, since it's built-into the sample. If you wanted sharp attacks with those samples you'd have to edit the samples themselves to cut off the swell at the beginning.

[Artlowell]

so you shouldn't have any different effect whether the notes are short or long?

Quite right. the length of the notes don't matter.

I don't hear any delay at all, the note starts the instant I hit a key, however it's not a very sharp attack, more like a slow swell. Adjusting the attack time in ENV 2 can make the swell slower, but not faster, since it's built-into the sample. If you wanted sharp attacks with those samples you'd have to edit the samples themselves to cut off the swell at the beginning.

I can see Im going to be spending all day on this. I'm now hearing that the initial swell in volume really is pretty slow. That's a problem. Thanx for the guidance. I'll get back to update what I've accomplished.

[David Nahmani]

so you shouldn't have any different effect whether the notes are short or long?

Quite right. the length of the notes don't matter.

Ha? Because in your original post you mentioned the issue being with "elongated notes"...?

 

[i can see Im going to be spending all day on this. I'm now hearing that the initial swell in volume really is pretty slow. That's a problem. Thanx for the guidance. I'll get back to update what I've accomplished.

Yes, it would be quite time consuming, and you may not like the results anyway as it will still sound like an artificial attack. It sounds like you may want to find another string library where the samples have a faster attack.

[Artlowell]

It sounds like you may want to find another string library where the samples have a faster attack

I'm not willing to give up on this yet, but I can't even get started. The only thing that shows up in the sample editor is an audio file that I have in that project. How do I get the sample wave into the editor?

[David Nahmani]

How do I get the sample wave into the editor?

In the EXS 24, click the "edit" button at the top right to open the EXS 24 Instrument Editor, and double-click the desired audio file. Then drag the left edge of the Region so the sample starts playing from later in the audio file:

 

[Beer Moth]

He means a 3rd party alternative such as EWQLSO, or Hollywood Strings etc etc.

I think.

[David Nahmani]

He means a 3rd party alternative such as EWQLSO, or Hollywood Strings etc etc.

I think.

Yes, that's what I meant.

[Artlowell]

I never heard of EWQLSO before. Sounds like a successor to the old Native Instruments, which has some really nice instruments. I've been thinking about renewing my license for that, but didn't want to spend the money. Any idea about how EWQLSO stacks up against NI?

 

(I opened up Exs24's sample editor. Man, they really isolate every zone! I think editing their voices is just simply too much work).

[Beer Moth]

EWQLSO : http://www.soundsonline-europe.com/Symphonic-Orchestra

 

Hollywood: http://www.soundsonline.com/Hollywood-Strings

 

and others : http://composerfocus.com/string-sample-library-roundup/

[Artlowell]

Beer Moth. I'm guessing that you have EWQLSO. The Hollywood Silver sounds like the most affordable version. I've been frustrated trying to find samples for Bass Drum and Chimes. Do any of the EWQLSO versions include these?

[Beer Moth]

I used to have EWQLSO silver...,I have a couple of things but not that at the mo.

There should be a list on their site somewhere.