Unpacking midi takes

[TGLA]

Ok, so I'm recording multiple takes and it packs it into a folder, but it's not playing the whole loop, just recording small snippets and the Logic creates another folder, so I need to string these all together. Unpacking, cutting and then dragging, then lining up and arranging seems not the right way.

 

How can I get Logic to string these together for easier cutting and editing?

 

thanks

[Atlas007]

Maybe if you were more explicit on the final goal you are aiming at, it could help us providing with appropriate suggestions.

It sounds like you are going through a multi-take process to end up undoing it... but for what purpose?

[David Nahmani]

I agree with Atlas, it sounds like you're trying to do something using the wrong tools for the job, only I'm not sure what that something is. Can you describe what you're trying to do, maybe with the help of screenshots?

[camillo jr]

Yeah, this bit here is kind of confusing:

 

How can I get Logic to string these together for easier cutting and editing?

What do you mean by "string together"? Put them all in a row?

 

As for the whole loop not playing, sounds like you're experiencing the situation where some notes that are played before the bar line at the beginning of the take get included in the previous take. This would only happen in a situation where you don't have Quantize on input enabled. But I'm guessing here too, since I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "the whole loop not playing."

[TGLA]

Thanks guys, let me elaborate. (Screen shot included) I have a section cylced and I'm playing a midi keyboard section with capture record on. There are 2 things going on, the first is that even though I'm playing a part in the whole repeat cycle, the midi is only showing a part of it in the take folders (as you can see in the screen shot). So I end up having a ton of takes for essentially 2 or 3 passes in the cycle. *edit* it appears that for every note I press a new take folder is created. Somewhere along the line last night I must have clicked something wrong because this didn't seem to happen with the other regions I recorded.

 

The other thing is now that I have these takes, the only way I can figure out how to put them in one region is to unpack the folder, then cut the pieces and then drag them one at a time and start aligning. Seems a bit tedious and figured there's an easier way to do this.

[camillo jr]

From the looks of your image, you are actually playing more than 2 or 3 passes; I can see notes in each region, even if there's only a couple.

 

Are you aware that when you've got your takes spread out like in your image, to make any particular region audible, all you have to do is click on it? (You can also choose this from the take folder's menu but clicking on the regions is way is faster.)

 

But I'm still confused about what you're trying to do with the takes. Why do you need to "cut the pieces" before dragging them onto a track? And why do you need to "align" them? To what??

 

If you want to string them out in a row, just drag them all on to one track, preferably in the order you played them. Don't worry about their position (although make sure that they aren't overlapping) and then change your drag setting to Shuffle left. Now when you drag one to the left, it will slide over and butt up against the nearest region. Very easy to get all the takes snug against each other that way.

[TGLA]

Good tips on the shuffle. In this instance I played 2 passes but it creates a new folder for every new key I press (I also have the arpeggiator turned on).

 

So in this instance, I press C3 then C#3 then F3 it creates a new take folder for each one, instead of just one folder for all 3 keys I played in sequence through the looped cycle. I believe I have a record midi setting that's off somewhere.

[TGLA]

Just wondering if my further explanation helps and if anyone has additional thoughts?

[camillo jr]

Ok, I see what you're getting at and that sounds strange for sure.... I'm wondering if it's the arpegiator that is somehow creating the extra folders? If you turn off the arp, does that stop extra take folder from being made?

[TGLA]

I've verified this is only happening with the arpeggiator. Whenever a new key is pressed, it creates a new take folder. Attached is a screen shot of the arp in the Environment. Is it possible there is a setting somewhere that states every key pressed is treated as a new...'something'... ?

[Atlas007]

I've verified this is only happening with the arpeggiator. Whenever a new key is pressed, it creates a new take folder. Attached is a screen shot of the arp in the Environment. Is it possible there is a setting somewhere that states every key pressed is treated as a new...'something'... ?

You also have a switcher object in the line. What is triggering it?

[Atlas007]

Good tips on the shuffle. In this instance I played 2 passes but it creates a new folder for every new key I press (I also have the arpeggiator turned on).

 

So in this instance, I press C3 then C#3 then F3 it creates a new take folder for each one, instead of just one folder for all 3 keys I played in sequence through the looped cycle. I believe I have a record midi setting that's off somewhere.

Once you unpacked your take folders, have you considered simply merging the regions you wish to group in a single sequence?

[Atlas007]

... I'm playing a midi keyboard section with capture record on...

What do you mean by capture record on?

[TGLA]

Atlas, The capture recording is having the capture record button enabled. I believe this is what allows me to continue playing and recording into the take folders. (Capture Record button is next to the record button)

 

The switcher object, can be turned on or off in the environment, just by pressing the space bar on it, this is how I turn the arp on and off.

 

I can merge the regions, but reference the first pic I included, the problem is every time I depress a midi key it creates a new take folder. So if I play a few notes in sequence a new take folder is created, and that leaves gaps, which I then have to cut and try to align. It's very tedious.

 

Is there a setting somewhere within the arp or MIDI control that would tell Logic that a new note is a new take folder?

[Atlas007]

Atlas, The capture recording is having the capture record button enabled. I believe this is what allows me to continue playing and recording into the take folders. (Capture Record button is next to the record button)

AFAIK, and according to the published documentation,

• Capture Recording: Allows the most recent performance to be kept, even if Logic Pro was not in record mode while you were playing.

I don't understand why you are using that button instead of the regular record button, which BTW also offers different recording modes that could be at play here.

 

The switcher object, can be turned on or off in the environment, just by pressing the space bar on it, this is how I turn the arp on and off.

 

I can merge the regions, but reference the first pic I included, the problem is every time I depress a midi key it creates a new take folder. So if I play a few notes in sequence a new take folder is created, and that leaves gaps, which I then have to cut and try to align. It's very tedious.

 

Is there a setting somewhere within the arp or MIDI control that would tell Logic that a new note is a new take folder?

By default the spacebar key command is used to issue a play / stop command. Maybe this is causing some issue here...

[TGLA]

"I don't understand why you are using that button instead of the regular record button, which BTW also offers different recording modes that could be at play here."

 

 

I'm using it so I can create midi take folders of what I'm playing. Just using the record button does not allow for this to happen, you re record over what you just played when playing in cycle mode. If I'm playing along to what's in my other regions, I have a few different things I'm playing and as each midi take is created, I then want to string the folders together.

[Atlas007]

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I'm using it so I can create midi take folders of what I'm playing. Just using the record button does not allow for this to happen, you re record over what you just played when playing in cycle mode. If I'm playing along to what's in my other regions, I have a few different things I'm playing and as each midi take is created, I then want to string the folders together.

Maybe you should get acquainted with the MIDI Take Recording documentation, then you would probably realize that the Capture Recording button is not relevant (normally)...

[TGLA]

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I'm using it so I can create midi take folders of what I'm playing. Just using the record button does not allow for this to happen, you re record over what you just played when playing in cycle mode. If I'm playing along to what's in my other regions, I have a few different things I'm playing and as each midi take is created, I then want to string the folders together.

Maybe you should get acquainted with the MIDI Take Recording documentation, then you would probably realize that the Capture Recording button is not relevant (normally)...

 

 

Hmmm... Not sure how to proceed, as I think I'm explaining the issue quite well, and also included pictures which show I understand MIDI take as you linked to.

 

The problem is playing MIDI with the arp, when I let go of one note and press another, it creates a new take folder. I want to play several notes with the arp, it continues to create a new take folder for each note pressed (when the other is let go). Playing one bar can create multiple take folders. (please see attachments)

 

When I play MIDI without the arp, I do not have this problem.

[RedBaron]

By Capture Recording you mean this ?

 

 

Capture Recording is not a state changing button. It's not an on/off switch.

 

It's an action button. Hit the Capture Recording button and Logic will dump 1+ MIDI regions on the currently selected track. Logic's always recording MIDI, in the background, even if you haven't got any tracks record enabled. But it only records this behind the scenes MIDI if Logic is in playback. When you hit the Capture Recording button, Logic retrieves the MIDI you were playing but forgot to record. You know the scene, Logic's looping around or playing into eternity and you're just doodling around with a synth (any kind!) and a controller keyboard. Hold on, that sounded pretty good. But Logic was just playing, not recording. Just wish it recorded MIDI in the background even when Logic wasn't in playback.

 

You need to check the Overlapping Recording menu in Project Settings > Recording > MIDI:

 

 

 

Which setting do you currently have from this menu? Look these settings up in the manual.

 

Also, maybe attach your Logic project?

 

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[camillo jr]

"I don't understand why you are using that button instead of the regular record button, which BTW also offers different recording modes that could be at play here."

 

 

I'm using it so I can create midi take folders of what I'm playing. Just using the record button does not allow for this to happen, you re record over what you just played when playing in cycle mode. If I'm playing along to what's in my other regions, I have a few different things I'm playing and as each midi take is created, I then want to string the folders together.

I don't understand either. If, in project settings, you choose "Create Take Folders" then take folders *will* be created when you use the record button (assuming you click the record button before you begin recording). None of the takes are being lost or "recorded over"; they are all there, each in their own region in the take folder. You can choose any take by simply clicking on it when you've got the folder open. So, I'd be curious if you still get the extra regions if you record this way, rather than using the capture button.

[Atlas007]

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The problem is playing MIDI with the arp, when I let go of one note and press another, it creates a new take folder. I want to play several notes with the arp, it continues to create a new take folder for each note pressed (when the other is let go). Playing one bar can create multiple take folders. (please see attachments)

 

When I play MIDI without the arp, I do not have this problem.

Wild guess here: somehow Logic interprets a Note Off going through (or from) the arpegiator as a key command to start a new take... Did you check in your key commands?

[vacuvox]

Ok - this is an old thread but I'm having a similar problem in Logic X. I always use the "capture as recording" function when recording MIDI. It's just faster - if I like what i just did, I capture it. If I don't like it, I just do it again - no deleting. I have always worked this way and it has worked great - and it's a thoroughly ingrained habit.

 

But now when I do this in Logic Pro X, each note is sometimes recorded as a different "take". "Sometimes" means, once it happens in a song, it will then always happen in that song. I can't find a way to reset it. Even if I remove all the MIDI tracks and instrument channels and start over.

 

The only cure I've found is to start a completely fresh song. I have used Logic since version 3 and never run into this problem before...

[David Nahmani]

when I do this in Logic Pro X, each note is sometimes recorded as a different "take".

Unfortunately a known bug: Capture as Recording on Multiple Tracks Broken

[vacuvox]

Oh! Well that sucks. But thanks for the info ; )

[David Nahmani]

You're welcome.