LaRssA Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I'm in the middle of a big movie-project and want to split my full-length project into cues. Since I normally work in Pro Tools, I'm used to the "Cut Time" function there, but I've seen several bugs using it. For this project, Pro Tools removes random MIDI-data when I cut time, and since the files originates in Logic, I figured I might as well try doing it there. After (A TON!!!) of looking around, I finally found the function mentioned in the topic on this forum, kindly explained by David. (thanks!!) However - Logic gives me a different bug. When I use the function, it bugs up my time signature changes. Since this is synced to picture, they are used regular throughout the project. I have a 3/8 change, and it is ignored. I tried it on a different que, and the function seemed to work perfectly there (only one change from 4/4 to 3/4), so I'm quite sure I'm doing it correctly: 1: Select the bars using the locators (for this cue, bar 1-279) 2: Run "Cut section..." .... 3: Logic removes/edits the time signatures, leaving a project useless for prepping for recording. Any tips/ideas is HIGHLY appreciated as I'm kinda on a deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Make sure you use Edit > Cut/Insert Time > .... and NOT Region > Cut/Insert Time > ... ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRssA Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Sadly, I've tried all three places where the function is available, without it making any difference. Using the latest build of Logic btw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Could you maybe attach the logic project to this forum? We don't need any of the MIDI notes inside the MIDI region, and we don't need the audio files, just the .Logic project file and its (empty) regions. Control-click the file in the Finder, choose "Compress" and attach it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRssA Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Here is the project file. What I have done with the project prior to this (aka. how I normally prep.): - Deleted all regions before and after the section I want, and muted regions inside the wanted cue - Deleted ALL automation data - Deleted ALL controller data (only notes remain) - Merged the regions per track - Renamed the region to match the track name - Deleted unused MIDI-tracks + all audiotracks This is what I do before I try to cut in the project and export the MIDI for further editing in Pro Tools (sorry, I work faster with quantizing in PT..). For the purpose of this upload, I have also removed all notes inside the regions. The only thing that remains now is cutting between where the locators are currently at. I tried a third project, and that also works perfectly - although no x/8 time in that project. 02_01070900-test.zip Project file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I opened your project, chose Edit > Cut/Insert Time > Snip: Cut Section Between Locators and got what looks like the expected result.... Hopefully you can make use of the file: 02_01070900-cut.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRssA Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 Looks like you got the same result as I did... See the attached images in the zip. At bar 263, there's a change to 3/8 time, but that time-change is removed completely once you've done the cut. I can probably fix this manually after the cut (I'm assuming Logic will fix any off-beat error automatically when inserting a new time-change..?), but that's really not how I'd like the function to behave Archive.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonnoise Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I often get time signature errors when using Snip too. It almost invariably alters the movie start time too. If I have a cue like yours I just leave all the blank space in. It doesn't bother me, also when those cues are in Pro Tools for recording. The orchestral parts would simply start at bar 257. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 See the attached images in the zip. At bar 263, there's a change to 3/8 time, but that time-change is removed completely once you've done the cut. Ok you're right, I tried again and the 3/8 time signature disappeared after the cut. I believe it may be because Logic tries to automatically change your time signature to make sense of that cut, because you're not cutting an integer number of bars - so Logic has to insert new time signature(s). Of course, we wish it would do it in a different, smarter way. But lengthen your cycle area just a few beats to reach the next first beat of the next bar, so you're cutting an integer number of beats, and try again. It conserves the 3/8 time signature change... and I believe the others as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRssA Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 That seems like it did the trick. Thanks a mill, David, you are indeed a lifesaver! I found another way using Sibelius (yeah, who would have thought good ol' Sibelius would "beat" two DAW's), but doing it directly in Logic is much faster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Great! Glad to hear! You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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