mpl Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Hi I've been building a steptime seq in reaktor and I have built in "all notes off "commands(cc 123) to avoid stuck notes.No heres the problem,when i rout the seq thru logic to a synth(hard or soft) it plays fine but when i change things on reaktors seq i occasionally get stuck notes.now i have a "all notes off" button set up in the envioroment,which works a treat.Now when reaktor sends a all notes off it shows up on the in monitor but doesn't actually get sent to the synth.Ican hold a note and then send cc123 from reaktor and the note keeps playing,while still holding the note i can send cc123 from logic and it kills the note(as it should) Why is reaktors cc not getting thru?! I have checked for midi filters and everythings allowed in and it shows up on a monitor in the envioroment yet doesn't get to the synth. Reaktor works fine when controlling a stand alone synth directly but not thru logic? this is really tedious as at first i suspected my reaktor programming and spent a lot of time trying to fix it(to no avail),then i noticed that it was only thru logic that this occurred. anybody got any ideas? looking forward to the replies mike ps my sequencer is fantastic(i finally got the steptime seq of my dreams),available from reaktor user lib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Can you detail your MIDI routing between Reaktor, Logic and the synth? Especially in Logic: what have you set up, external MIDI tracks? How is everything connected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpl Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share Posted June 26, 2013 1 Hi david thanks for the response.I'm currently using reaktor virtual out put to route to logic,I havent gone back and tried the iac driver(next step).And i've tried it with a empty project,routed to es2 as simply as possible.(although i want to go back and try that again). I've been using midi monitor to see the midi coming out of reaktor all seams well there.and I've routed reaktor directly to a pulse hardware synth and that works,then try thru logic and no go. I do have an extensive envioroment,with lots of midi input tools and vairius controllers routed all over the shop,thats why i tryed the empty project. I will make some screen shots today while i try out the tests again and post them. mike I have ran the emptyproject test again. 1st screenshot is of an envioroment button sending all notes off to es1.While holding down a note i fired the all notes off command and the note stopped.Although it diddn't kill the graphic on the key board monitor. 2nd screen shot the same again but with reaktor sending all notes off. As you can see they both look the same on the input view,yet the reaktor send does not work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBaron Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 So Reaktor is passing on CC123s that it receives from the Logic Environment's All Notes Off button. But CC123's originating from Reaktor aren't turning up at 'Reaktor output' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpl Posted June 26, 2013 Author Share Posted June 26, 2013 The screen shots are positioned 2 then 1 (not sure why) No logic is not sending to reaktor.I'm using a seq in reaktor to play logic insts and hard ware synths, then i record the midi into logic and edit/quantise to get tight sync back again(midi clock sync is a little laggy at times and takes 4 bars to settle down,) thanks for your interest mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 The screen shots are positioned 2 then 1 (not sure why) Fixed. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBaron Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 OK, so where in screenshot 2, is Reaktor output's CC123 originating from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 One thing he hasn't specified, is that he's using the standalone version of Reaktor. The plug-in version does not create a virtual MIDI port like the standalone version does. I remember seeing this before a couple of years ago, there may be another thread about this somewhere...basically Logic won't listen to the All Notes Off command if it comes from outside, but it will listen if you generate it from within Logic...which is what the OP is experiencing. I just tried sending CC 123 from outside and Logic ignores it here as well. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Here's the thread...almost three years ago! CC#123 all notes off problem & the eternal golden braid Try Scandor's suggestion, apparently it works: viewtopic.php?p=307884#p307884 J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBaron Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Yeah you have to use Bang 2nd Fader. It effectively tells Logic that the banged fader sent the CC123 and it's not an external CC123 message anymore. Here's what I've done. I've also got the banged Sysex fader to output CC120 - All Sound Off. Belt and braces: Project file: CC123_Fader_Banger!.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Here's the method from the thread I linked, using a single sysex fader that responds to CC 123 with a value of 0. J. Force All Notes Off.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpl Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 Many thanks for your replys,yes it is the standalone version of reaktor,and you've sussed my problem exactly,I will try the 2 suggested methodes and see what happens. thanks again mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Cool, you're welcome. Let us know how it goes. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpl Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 i've just tried out the 2 fixes and the bang macro doesn't work and the sysex fader sending lots of notes off suddenly fires all notes on at once giving a rather loud "bang", both are good ideas and i follow the reasoning,I'm going to read up the old thread and see if i can get more info/something else to try.I also tried it with iac driver but no,The commands show up on all the monitors but don't seam to pass thru to the inst. anyway thanks for the input i'll keep on trying mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 and the sysex fader sending lots of notes off suddenly fires all notes on at once giving a rather loud "bang" That doesn't sound right at all. As you can see in my screen shot, the sysex fader should be sending note off's for all 127 notes when receiving CC 123 with a value of zero. I wouldn't have bothered uploading this for you if it was only "an idea". J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpl Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 Sorry didn't mean to sound ungreatful.I've done more tests and it seamed there was a cc123 @ 127 getting sent not sure why yet,so i put a transformer to make all cc 123@0 which seams to have done the trick.I'll now find out why i was getting a cc123@127 being sent. then back to fault finding in reaktor. Many thanks for the help and fix mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Sorry didn't mean to sound ungreatful. OK, cool. No problem I've done more tests and it seamed there was a cc123 @ 127 getting sent not sure why yet,so i put a transformer to make all cc 123@0 which seams to have done the trick.I'll now find out why i was getting a cc123@127 being sent. The only reason I used CC 123 with a value of 0 was because that's what you were receiving from reaktor...at least according to your screen shots. Many thanks for the help and fix You're welcome. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpl Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 In reaktor I have a button for all notes of which does send cc123@0 but i've also got it sending all notes off automaticall when stop or snapshot change,So i suspect its in there somewhere,also reaktor has a habit of spitting out multiple commands so it might be something like that. Anyway thats the logic problem sorted. back to reaktor problems now thanks again mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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