Ploki Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 - half of the thing is retina, half is not (same goes for GUI in general, half is overhauled, half not) - at heart completely the same, just has a nice layer over the top (which can be apparent from the Environment) - it still has all the problems of LP9 - takes more CPU on the same project - has a few unfinished features - no AU update, and yes, it needs one - underneath the nice GUI waveform still draws exactly the same as in LP9 I know people were bitching about FCPX, but I personally liked that they did basically from scratch. I was really hoping something like that with Logic, although shitstorm of "garageband pro" would ensue. Apple learned from FCPX not to change anything, whatever. I was hoping for something new, and at least a full retina update, come on, its been a year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darude Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Not a rant, I do like the new stuff, but I do think it's a missed opportunity... Unless for eg. this stuff comes in the .0x update - dynamic waveforms (at least for fades & x-fades, but optionally to reflect processing changes in realtime, or even for synth tracks!) - audio region volume multipoint envelopes - EXS24 mk3 with time stretching / flex-pitching + other new features (How about old school realtime sampling? Loop length lock + loop moving possible?) - echo / delay / reverb ducking with the dry sound built-in the plugin - bypass ALL the plugs of a channel - solo(/mute) buttons on the plugin GUI . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Please do list all your New Feature Suggestions in the Logic Pro X New Feature Suggestions forum, where they have more chances to be seen by the development team. Please post only one suggestion per topic to keep separate discussions for each issue. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darude Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Will do David. Was basically just echoing what I'd already requested for 9/X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted July 21, 2013 Author Share Posted July 21, 2013 Why is there mo AU2 implementation to take advantage of gain reduction and eq display? To change defAult eq and dynamics plugin? Was there an AU SDK update for retina graphics? Voxengo has programmed UI, he could update yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Was there an AU SDK update for retina graphics? The AU spec has nothing at all to do with graphics. Whether your provide retina graphics in your resources and code is up to the developer, but has nothing at all to do with the AU spec or SDK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dna Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Please do list all your New Feature Suggestions in the Logic Pro X New Feature Suggestions forum, where they have more chances to be seen by the development team. Please post only one suggestion per topic to keep separate discussions for each issue. Thanks! Where is the LPX suggestions forum? I don't see it there? EDIT: I was already in it and all I could see was LP9 and LP8 forums. Silly me! duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Misfit Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Go to forum front page and scroll right to the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 EDIT: I was already in it and all I could see was LP9 and LP8 forums. Silly me! duh. Yeah I understand how you got confused... sorry about that. It makes more sense when you access it from the Board index... I think? Maybe I should rename the LP7, 8 and 9 forums "archived" to make things clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Ok I've reorganized all archived forums into a single link, and made it clearer that it's an archive.. hope that helps: Logic Pro X New Feature Suggestions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted July 21, 2013 Author Share Posted July 21, 2013 I think the most obvious hint that this update was rushed is that amp designer is nonretina and bass designer is retina... Very inconsistent. Retina is the fastest pro laptop and its not fully supported. That is really kinda pissing me off. And i dont know why no rewrite. Its getting bloated... But hey, fcpx only became good after 10.0.4, and logic got 64bit after 9.1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 First of all, Holgerfeldt has posted that he did a test and it takes 11% LESS cpu, and few here are even close to as knowledgeable as he is. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=97348 Secondly, this is a 1.0 release. If one does not expect there to be quite a few issues with a 1.0 release of a major DAW, one is (not directed at any specific people): a) Very inexperienced. b) Optimistic to the point of being out of touch with reality. c) Dumber than squirrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 And i dont know why no rewrite. Why would you want them to rewrite what's taken them decades to code, debug etc...? From a coding point of sense it doesn't make sense. You don't just throw all that hard work out the window - unless you want to make something radically different (for example from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X) - but that's not the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted July 21, 2013 Author Share Posted July 21, 2013 @david: yeah was kinda hoping for the latter @Ashermusic: im getting worse CPU on real-life projects and choppy performance on the retina. I am hoping its because lpx doesnt play well with LP9 project but otherwise it takes 10% more cpu for the same project. Also having half of it in retina and half not means a rushed release even for a .0 release. Its also not really a .0 release like fcpx since much of it is still the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 I have to admit that working on a new project it feels great. I advice against opening old complex projects in it because it calls for different workflow and behaves differently. I like it. edit: i also think a new update should deal with the old. Amp Designer i.e. is still in old resources folder, while Bass Amp designer is somewhere else, couldn't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
route-electrique Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I have to admit that working on a new project it feels great. I advice against opening old complex projects in it because it calls for different workflow and behaves differently. I like it. +1. I had to force quit Logic 10, when i tried to open old +100 track project. If you want to see what rewrite can do, download demo of Studio One Free . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 i also think a new update should deal with the old. Amp Designer i.e. is still in old resources folder, while Bass Amp designer is somewhere else, couldn't find it. The new resources are in resource folders of the various frameworks in the app bundle. Have a look in /Contents/Frameworks/MAResourcesLg for example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenfold Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Ok I've reorganized all archived forums into a single link, and made it clearer that it's an archive.. hope that helps: Logic Pro X New Feature Suggestions I'm not sure if it was intentional, but it looks like both of the new "Logic Pro X New Feature Suggestions" and "Logic Pro X Bugs & Workarounds" forums are locked to viewers and require login to read any posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I'm not sure if it was intentional, but it looks like both of the new "Logic Pro X New Feature Suggestions" and "Logic Pro X Bugs & Workarounds" forums are locked to viewers and require login to read any posts. No it was not. Thank you for pointing it out! I'll take care of it now. EDIT: Ok I've now fixed it, please let me know if you see anything else wrong!! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 Ah waveform is still non-retina. 10.1 is going to be even nicer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 10.1 is going to be even nicer As is always the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 First of all, Holgerfeldt has posted that he did a test and it takes 11% LESS cpu, and few here are even close to as knowledgeable as he is.viewtopic.php?f=1&t=97348 Secondly, this is a 1.0 release. If one does not expect there to be quite a few issues with a 1.0 release of a major DAW, one is (not directed at any specific people): a) Very inexperienced. b) Optimistic to the point of being out of touch with reality. c) Dumber than squirrels. except this is mismatched and 'unfinished' to the point of not even making it seem worthy of a beta release, never mind a 1.0 release i bet you have more experience than myself, but 7 years of watching and participating in this daw game (though this issue could extend to any software release) is enough to count me out of all 3 of your options i have no issue with apple adding new plugins, but they have left many others untouched; some without retina, which seems to be one of the big criteria in this release.... they didn't have to rewrite the code from scratch and yet it still took 4 years to come out with an un-unified mess...why wait 4 years to not cover such basics as unifying gui design BEFORE adding bontempi-drumming accompaniment ?? it seems the only reason would be pandering to external pressure, and this is very significantly UN-apple...since apple has become jobs-less they have started to change...in some ways it is a good thing, but i reckon also much worse...the positive is that apple has started to become a little (and i mean "little") more open and that them possibly bowing to market pressure may eventually work in consumer favour... but that just aint apple....gone is the belligerence; the 'there will be an ipad mini over my dead body', to there being an ipad mini...this is apple responding to competition, following the market rather than leading it.....i just can't help thinking this was rushed out because of the consistent chatter on forums of logic being abandoned....i mean for someone within apple's ranks to officially address users to reassure them "we are working on it" is very indicative of this new change...of course, communication is what we have always wanted, but i don't think we really want apple to do this from possible damage limitation add the release of protools 11 to the mix, and i really imagine this release to be a case of 'we better get this out now before we really lose it all' even fcpx was more cohesive a release than this...sure, there were things that were removed that should not have been, but at least it presented a unified front...the parallel for logic would have been the release of logic 8....there were people who were very unhappy for many reasons, but at least it felt like a cohesive whole...they managed to do, in a rewrite, what logic x hasn't done without i.e bring along legacy plugs and features and managing to incorporate them so they never felt like spare parts no one expects logic x to be bug-free at 1.0, but you better believe that people should expect the bugs from the last years to have been sorted...i'm betting that not to be the case, at least not entirely....but as long as we get new toys that should be alright, right ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Well, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But ironically, since you mention PT 11, a friend of mine is a PT beta tester and he called me just to tell me that he was amused that there are a bunch of PT testers there talking about how terrific they think LP X is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 I never said that its a bad release- rather that it is half-finished. More like X beta than really a point-o release... Rushed, halfbaked, whatever. Many things in lpx just arent DONE. The color discrepancy in EQ ch strip preview and actual EQ in example also hints at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Well, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. that, by definition, is a given But ironically, since you mention PT 11, a friend of mine is a PT beta tester and he called me just to tell me that he was amused that there are a bunch of PT testers there talking about how terrific they think LP X is. that protools users lust after logic is no surprise to me, but i think that is more avid's failings..what is so good about logic x is that it is still fundamentally logic underneath...i mean, i still hold logic 9 above the competition the point is the power seem to be shifting from apple and logic dictating the features the other daws will later copy, to playing catch-up to the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share Posted July 23, 2013 CPU usage re-test on a 60track project + some soft instruments Same project: LP9: 130% LPX: 108% I likes. The more I work with it the more I wish 10.0.1 came out to fix the non-retina GUI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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