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Just got back from the NAB Apple Special presentation in Las Vegas, no news of Logic, but if the update for Final Cut Studio is any indication, the update for Logic should be great when released.
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Wow, that blows pro tools away (well it would if it had the pro tools plug ins). But I have a horrible feeling that this is where all of the R&D for Logic went. We may not see a Logic update for a very long time.

 

The next Logic Pro is going to blow Soundtrack Pro out of the water. Logic Pro hasn't had a major update in 2.5yrs from the present time. That's a lot of time and this major update to Final Cut was only two years in the making and encompasses a lot more variety in code. Just imagine what the Emagic engineers are going to be able to deliver with even more time and a singular focus on an a nextgen DAW.

 

I think virtually all the features in STP2 will be in LP8 in addition to much more audio features added on top.

 

If STP2 is good I expect Logic Pro 8 to be great. Just my opinion.

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I wouldn't call STP2 a ProTools Killer..but there are some VERY smart 'post' tools in it. The ADR thing, auto-conform, surround to 2 mix down convert, the noise-reduction filters, the BIN concept, OMF/AAF export and import, etc...

 

the main thing tho...most of the video editors I know do NOT want to do their own audio (thank god..that's why I -have- a job..)...But..more and more WILL start doing more audio for their projects (and hopefully export AAF's for us Post People).

 

I'll gladly keep waiting for Logic 8 if this is the direction they're going down...

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I like the look of Soundtrack Pro - really stylish. I just hope there WILL be a Logic 8 :? - so far, I am not convinced.

 

 

Of course there will be a Logic 8 - the only question is when.

 

It will be rebuilt from the ground up and finally look like the rest of Apple's 'pro' app's.

 

But the main improvements will be ease-of-use, workflow, 5.1, and audio editing.

 

That's all a given.

 

I'm just hoping that the UI doesn't lose any snappiness™ - especially with waveform editing.

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Blueintheface, with all due respect, you are just speculating - like the rest of us. I don't think anyone here knows for sure what is happening to Logic at the moment... And I don't believe in speculation. I have seen far too many disappointments come from it 8)
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Blueintheface, with all due respect, you are just speculating - like the rest of us. I don't think anyone here knows for sure what is happening to Logic at the moment... And I don't believe in speculation. I have seen far too many disappointments come from it 8)

 

Of course - EVERYONE is speculating.

 

But I'm a betting man . :D

 

 

P.S. What are the disappointments? I think Apple have maintained and improved Logic - despite some dodgy moments, i.e. Logic 7.0 buggy release - but things were put right pretty quickly. The situation with Logic is far, far better than with Cubase 4, for example.

 

Anyway, last month Apple posted an ad in SOS magazine for a Manual Writer for Logic. Well they ain't looking to write a new manual for Logic 7, are they?

 

Again, I'm just specualting.

 

Also, there are lots of credible mini-leaks on the net that state that L8 is in late beta.

 

I say: 'Better L8 than never. . . .™'

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Regarding disappointments - if you look over at macrumors.com, people are always speculating wildly about what announcements this and that event will see. What it means because the Apple store is currently being updated. That because Logic Crossgrade isn't still availble, it must mean new version is just around the corner etc. 98% of the time, everybody are way off. So I am not anticipating anything, I prefer to be happily surprised if anything cool arrives.

 

But I hope you are right and it is in late beta. I just wonder why it hasn't been announced then.

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It hasn't been announced because it isn't done :) That's -my- specualtion.

 

I've been using SoundTrack Pro since it first came out. I'm -VERY- excited to see what they've done to it in this latest version. Shows me Apple is LISTENING...at least to what VIDEO editors need in their audio program.

 

-MOST- video editors I've met HATE doing their own audio, especially if the software is complicated. The new STPro2 addresses a LOT of the 'basic' needs of video stuff, but the complexity of what STP does is 'buried' in a much simpler interface. YET...the things it does are DEEP.

 

If you've ever tried to match ADR VO with field VO, you'll know what a blessing the MATCH EQ thing is. The slip/scub audio while spotting to multi-frames of video is insanely cool. The way STP handles its plugins in a non-destructive, changeable order is VERY unique (and, frankly, an idea I'd like to see implemented in Logic). And, even the built-in way STP can identify/remove 'standard/common' noise problems beats the living crap out of screwing with DINR or X-Noise (tho..once you know how to use them, they're incredibly strong programs). Hell..even SoundSoap is easier to use.

 

my point. Seeing all these updates to the Final Cut suite shows me that Apple DOES listen to what their consumers needs are. FCP has been nothing short of revolutionary in the non-linear video editing feild.

 

my gut feeling is that they want Logic to be the same thing for audio. The BIGGEST issues is that a LOT of people don't like change, and have a hard time adjusting. In the software biz, that's a death knell. Change and grow, or die.

 

for me..I'm excited as hell about whatever the next version of Logic will be, even tho I've barely mastered 30% of it as it is now. I'll still dive headfirst into the next version.

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It hasn't been announced because it isn't done :) That's -my- specualtion.

 

I've been using SoundTrack Pro since it first came out. I'm -VERY- excited to see what they've done to it in this latest version. Shows me Apple is LISTENING...at least to what VIDEO editors need in their audio program.

 

-MOST- video editors I've met HATE doing their own audio, especially if the software is complicated. The new STPro2 addresses a LOT of the 'basic' needs of video stuff, but the complexity of what STP does is 'buried' in a much simpler interface. YET...the things it does are DEEP.

 

If you've ever tried to match ADR VO with field VO, you'll know what a blessing the MATCH EQ thing is. The slip/scub audio while spotting to multi-frames of video is insanely cool. The way STP handles its plugins in a non-destructive, changeable order is VERY unique (and, frankly, an idea I'd like to see implemented in Logic). And, even the built-in way STP can identify/remove 'standard/common' noise problems beats the living crap out of screwing with DINR or X-Noise (tho..once you know how to use them, they're incredibly strong programs). Hell..even SoundSoap is easier to use.

 

my point. Seeing all these updates to the Final Cut suite shows me that Apple DOES listen to what their consumers needs are. FCP has been nothing short of revolutionary in the non-linear video editing feild.

 

my gut feeling is that they want Logic to be the same thing for audio. The BIGGEST issues is that a LOT of people don't like change, and have a hard time adjusting. In the software biz, that's a death knell. Change and grow, or die.

 

for me..I'm excited as hell about whatever the next version of Logic will be, even tho I've barely mastered 30% of it as it is now. I'll still dive headfirst into the next version.

 

Gives me the feeling that because apple thinks FCP is so bad ass they can neglect logic ... make me pay for updates ... mean while the technologies taken from logic are developing like crazy ....with innovation and strategy .....

 

just not in logic which to me makes it Flaunting insult

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Gives me the feeling that because apple thinks FCP is so bad ass they can neglect logic ... make me pay for updates ... mean while the technologies taken from logic are developing like crazy ....with innovation and strategy ..... just not in logic which to me makes it Flaunting insult

 

I don't completely disagree with that statement :(

 

However..the reality is that FCP is a _HUGE_ money maker for Apple, both on the software AND hardware side of things. (and..the upgrades to FCP are _NOT_ cheap). There is simply NOTHING else on the market like FCP (ESPECIALLY in its price range), and we all know how Apple likes to be a leader in their specific niche (ipod..iMac...iPhone...)

 

Sadly..sort of.....ProTools is _THE_ leader/industry standard for Digital Audio. No way around that. If anything...STP is competing within THAT space, moreso than the Logic/DP/Cubase space.

 

No..I will not be happy if we continue to see innovations in OTHER audio related Apple programs and NOT in Logic..but I really don't think that's the case. They've spent too much money on Logic already (pretty sure our German freinds get paid nicely).

 

I think that patience is our friend here.

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Ashermusic, good thing. Do we really have any information about the Logic team at the moment then? If there REALLY are 50-75 people working on Logic, the new version will have to be something very cool, or Apple will have wasted a lot of time and money.
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Ashermusic, good thing. Do we really have any information about the Logic team at the moment then? If there REALLY are 50-75 people working on Logic, the new version will have to be something very cool, or Apple will have wasted a lot of time and money.

 

AFAIK the Logic team still consists of the same German developers that were Emagic and there is nowhere near that number of them.

 

That said, I have known these guys for almost 20 years. They are very smart and very dedicated. They innovated a lot of things that are now also in other DAWS.

 

If it is taking this long I believe that when it comes out it will be very impressive indeed.

 

Folks, I have written this time and again on this forum and others.

Go do your work! Half of you have no idea how to properly take advantage of all that is already available to you in Logic Pro 7.

 

A watched pot never boils.

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Folks, I have written this time and again on this forum and others.

Go do your work! Half of you have no idea how to properly take advantage of all that is already available to you in Logic Pro 7.

 

Amen, Jay!!!

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What are the disappointments? I think Apple have maintained and improved Logic - despite some dodgy moments, i.e. Logic 7.0 buggy release - but things were put right pretty quickly. The situation with Logic is far, far better than with Cubase 4, for example.

 

So what exactly is the problem with Cubase 4 ?

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