Q-Range clarification

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Hi, I'm a little confused with Q-Range, I understand what it does, I don't really use it and am not getting my head around something.

 

Am I right in saying that - the Q-range value forces the quantise setting to only affect notes within/outside (depending whether the setting is positive or negative)the Q-range of the quantize grid setting (with lets say is 1/4).

 

Is this the same for positive and negative values in that they both affect the Q value affecting notes, with a positive setting the notes within a 32nd of the 1/4 grid would be quantised and those outside would essentially be unquantized?

 

And a negative value means that notes that are greater then a 32nd note in relation to the 1/4 grid will be quantized and those within a 32nd note of the grid setting left alone?

 

From the manual

If you enter negative Q-Range values, only notes or transient markers that fall outside (32nd note) the set range are moved to ideal quantization grid positions, whereas those closer (within a 32nd note) to an ideal position remain unquantized.

 

Here the manual talks about ideal quantize grid positions

 

But when we're talking about notes that are within or outside a 32nd note or a 16th note etc does this mean they were originally recorded that way (as they very often are), then a Q value is set (which drags them in line to that value) and then the Q-Range will act upon the notes whether they were recorded a 16th/32nd note out originally, then in relation to what the Q setting is?

 

Is it best to use Q-Range and Q-Strength in tandem?

Thanks

[strikingtwice]

You're pretty much right, and I empathize, i always had a total brain fart trying to understand it.

 

Negative values mean that all notes that are not close will be snapped in. This is nice if you want to retain some of the humanization that you played, but some notes need tightening. Positive values will leave notes outside of the range changed but tighten up only your closest notes.

 

Q range and strength definitely work in tandem. The way i practiced it was just do a sloppy recording and only mess with q range and strength independently to get a feel for them.

[camillo jr]

Positive values will leave notes outside of the range (un) changed but tighten up only your closest notes. .

This is the part that I have a hard time figuring out the utility, since it leaves your sloppiest notes alone!

 

I totally get using the negative values; makes perfect sense to me but can anyone share how using the positive values is useful?

[strikingtwice]

Positive values will leave notes outside of the range (un) changed but tighten up only your closest notes. .

This is the part that I have a hard time figuring out the utility, since it leaves your sloppiest notes alone!

 

I totally get using the negative values; makes perfect sense to me but can anyone share how using the positive values is useful?

 

I would love to hear it, i've never gotten anything musical out of positive.

[David Nahmani]

Positive values will leave notes outside of the range (un) changed but tighten up only your closest notes. .

This is the part that I have a hard time figuring out the utility, since it leaves your sloppiest notes alone!

Positive values do NOT leave outside notes unchanged. It tightens the notes that are inside the Q-range, And it moves the ones outside the Q-range towards the grid by the same amount... so basically it tightens the entire performance while keeping the "feel" of the notes outside the range.

 

So:

- If a note was inside the Q-range, it's hard quantized (as if it used a Q-strength = 100)

- If a note was outside the Q-range, it's soft quantized (as if it used a Q-strength < 100)

[strikingtwice]

So:

- If a note was inside the Q-range, it's hard quantized (as if it used a Q-strength = 100)

- If a note was outside the Q-range, it's soft quantized (as if it used a Q-strength < 100)

 

 

OOOOOOHHHHHH.

 

That makes a ton more sense. Does that mean that it doesn't factor in strength when you use positive values?

 

Wait, also does that mean that BOTH +/- Q ranges affect notes inside of the range, but just deal with what happens to the notes outside of it?

[David Nahmani]

Does that mean that it doesn't factor in strength when you use positive values?

No. You can still use Q-strength on top of what Q-range does to "relax" the quantize of all notes if you want to.

 

Wait, also does that mean that BOTH +/- Q ranges affect notes inside of the range, but just deal with what happens to the notes outside of it?

I'm not following you.

- negative Q-range values only quantize notes outside the range.

- positive Q-range values affect all notes.

[strikingtwice]

I'm not following you.

- negative Q-range values only quantize notes outside the range.

- positive Q-range values affect all notes.

 

Sorry If i poorly worded my question, but that is the exact answer. Both settings affect what's inside the range, but only one affects what's outside. I'm currently printing and pinning this to my wall for every time I forget q range settings. Don't know why this escapes me so much. I think because it used to work differently in DP it was a little less flexible than logic's.

[David Nahmani]

Both settings affect what's inside the range, but only one affects what's outside.

That's actually the opposite:

 

Both settings affect what's outside the range but only one affects what's inside.

[Atlas007]

Both settings affect what's inside the range, but only one affects what's outside.

That's actually the opposite:

 

Both settings affect what's outside the range but only one affects what's inside.

In the published documentation, there is no specific mention of Q-range positive value setting effect per say, while it is clearly explained what the negative value setting should do.

So if I understand well, since the positive values of Q-range (by affecting all notes within and outside the set range), bring no additional usefulness to the regular quantize, it is therefore only redundant. Right?

[camillo jr]

Well, I have used the positive Q-range values several times without totally understanding how it works. The biggest difference that I can see, (when used in conjunction with 1/4 note quantize) is that you can retain deliberate flams, grace notes and other expressive feel factors in your playing without dragging them right into the nearest 16th note slot the way regular quantizing, using a 16th note grid, would do.

 

In other words, it retains the feel of the playing better.

[David Nahmani]

So if I understand well, since the positive values of Q-range (by affecting all notes within and outside the set range), bring no additional usefulness to the regular quantize, it is therefore only redundant. Right?

Being able to quantize while keeping the feel of notes that are outside a certain range is not something that the regular quantize feature can do. Only Q-range can do that.

 

If you ever think: "Ok anything that's within 1/64th of the grid actually needs to be quantized to the grid, but anything outside of that range was a voluntarily effect that I'd like to retain" then positive Q-range values will be useful to you.

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Being able to quantize while keeping the feel of notes that are outside a certain range is not something that the regular quantize feature can do. Only Q-range can do that.

 

If you ever think: "Ok anything that's within 1/64th of the grid actually needs to be quantized to the grid, but anything outside of that range was a voluntarily effect that I'd like to retain" then positive Q-range values will be useful to you.

- negative Q-range values only quantize notes outside the range.

- positive Q-range values affect all notes.

 

Your answers make it so much clearer David, thanks!