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LPX 10.0.6. performance issues with large projects.


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Actually this is not specific to version 10.0.6., more like logic X in general. I would like to know is this a some kind of problem in my system, or just how logic is at the moment.

 

I have some large projects , around 50-70 audio tracks, 30 instruments and lots of plugins. These projects used to play reasonably well in LP9, Snow leopard and my old mac pro 3.1.

 

Now I have LPX, Mac pro 5.1, 24Gb of ddr, all SSD-disks, osx 10.8.5. Clean install of everything… and the same projects are painfully slow. Beachball every now and then, everything happens with 1 second delay, just horrible. There is plenty of memory available, cpu below 50% on all cores and disks nowhere near their limits…

 

This is how LPX has been since day one in my system, and it´s not just those projects, its all projects that start to "grow" above 20-30 tracks… more stuff there is, the slower it gets. Is this the case with your system too? Shouldn´t the UI stay smooth with no matter what track count as long as the HD and CPU meters are not hitting the ceiling and there is plenty of memory available??

 

Seriously, the smoothest mac+logic system I remember was my first in 2002, logic 5 if I remember correctly. I've had 4 different systems since then, and had all the logic versions between 5-10. What comes to responsiveness, I think its gone worse version after version! I feel like everytime cpu gets 2 x faster, the software gets 3 x heavier!

 

Ok, I didn´t mean to rant about this… What I would like to know is if your system stays responsive when the track and plugin count gets high (but not too high to kill the system)?

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You might need a fresh installation. Alternatively, if it's possible, you could open a new session and import all the tracks from the old session manually, one at a time.

 

I'm on a 140 track session, with over 80 stems running VI's (Omnisphere, Kontakt, Massive, Reaktor etc.) on Logic X 10.0.6. The session is still smooth, not as smooth as butter, but for me this is shockingly awesome, coming from Reaper and Cubase.

 

With DAW's I've noticed variable performance depending on how it's setup it seems like. Almost no amounts of re-installation worked for me in the last 5 years, over two Mac Pros. Most sessions would crawl once I'm over 50 tracks.

 

And BAM!, this year with a mere latest gen laptop and a fresh install, I'm running sessions that would otherwise bend my Mac Pros over. I have decided, every 2 years, I'm just going to swap laptops rather than invest in a Mac Pro, which has almost no resale value. I have 2 giant silver boxes (Mac Pros) which I use as a stand now, while the studio runs off a laptop. :P

You do miss ports a bit, but with more TB devices coming in, it'll be a similar purchase to what you'd need for the nMP.

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Thanks both!

 

Atlas007, sure the software gets heavier when more features are added, but I feel there should be some kind of headroom left for UI to stay responsive. Don´t you think it´s a bit weird that we have like 10 x the CPU than 10 years ago, spread over 10+ cores instead of one or two, and still the software is less responsive? I mean, no matter how many new features there are in Logic X over Logic 5, it shouldn´t be any more cpu intensive to open a plugin window or scroll my mixer from left to right, right?

 

Splaat, thanks for suggestions. I will try importing the tracks to new session track by track and see what happens. Fresh install (again, just installed everything couple of weeks ago) is not very tempting idea right now! I have 2013 retina MBP as my "home" setup, and it definitely feels a bit smoother. I stayed with "silver boxes" in my studio because I have lots of PCI-based stuff that all would have to be upgraded if I switched to any other mac.

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Thanks both!

 

Atlas007, sure the software gets heavier when more features are added, but I feel there should be some kind of headroom left for UI to stay responsive. Don´t you think it´s a bit weird that we have like 10 x the CPU than 10 years ago, spread over 10+ cores instead of one or two, and still the software is less responsive? I mean, no matter how many new features there are in Logic X over Logic 5, it shouldn´t be any more cpu intensive to open a plugin window or scroll my mixer from left to right, right?

I did not mean to dispute the legitimity of your concern, far from that. In fact I could not agree more. I am just submitting some possible explanation. I believe that when the hardware power is relatively lagging behind compared to what the software is demanding, such issues are bound to arise periodically. This is however a temporary situation as the hardware will eventually catch up for some time, until the coders bring more features to their softwareS in order to take advantage of the newly available hardware power. And, most of the time, without regards for the other softwares power needs, from the new hardware... Some kind of a "dog runnig after his own tail" situation. Note that it maintains the market incentive... :mrgreen:

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A few things to try:

• Enable TRIM on your SSDs: this is typically disabled on non-Apple SSDs. This will improve SSD speed.

• Set Logic Pro X's Process Buffer Range to Large. This improves playback performance when using lots of plug-ins.

• Upgrade to Mavericks (Mac OS X 10.9.x). Logic Pro X performance is improved over Mountain Lion (Mac OS X 10.8.x).

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