XMaramena Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I have an Arturia Keylab 88 and I want to be able to use one of the faders to sit in the center, and let me link it to the tempo track so that +/- 63 on the midi CC will adjust the tempo by +/- 30 BPM on the track (can I do this in a latch or write mode?). I think I have to do something with the midi environment, but I've never quite figured it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 In the MIDI Environment, choose New > Fader > Special > Tempo Control. Assign whatever knob on your controller to that fader and cable the fader into the Sequencer Input. Press record and tweak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XMaramena Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 In the MIDI Environment, choose New > Fader > Special > Tempo Control. Assign whatever knob on your controller to that fader and cable the fader into the Sequencer Input. Press record and tweak. Getting a little stuck - I have the tempo fader created, and sequencer input routing into the tempo fader, but not sure how to get it to input from my Midi CC 85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Select the Tempo fader, and in the Inspector, set the Tempo input parameters like so: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratquebec Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Ah! Just found what I needed here! Now, tweaking the knob 7 (cc26) on my Alesis Vi61 makes the tempo go from 50 to 177 in Logic despite the range set to 0-127 in the Alesis editor and in the Tempo object in the environment. My MIDI monitor utility also shows a 0 - 127 range. If I set manually the tempo in Logic to say, 200 and tweak the keyboard knob a little bit from the zero position, the tempo revert back to 50. 50 to 177 is exactly 127 steps. Good. I suppose this "50 to 177 BPM real world tempo range" is hard coded in Logic when controlling the tempo via the environment? No way to change that? Thankyou! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratquebec Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Ok found the answer here : https://support.apple.com/kb/PH13222?locale=fr_CA&viewlocale=en_US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLB Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Is there a way to go higher than 177bpm or lower than 50bpm when controlling the tempo fader then? Any tricks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I don't think it is possible per say. But one can move the tempo change range upward or downward by altering the recorded material playback speed reciprocally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLB Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Aw... That's a huge limitation... What tool would you use to manipulate the speed of the recorded material live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Aw... That's a huge limitation... I'm not sure about that. Do you have music that is below 50bpm and/or above 177bpm ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLB Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 For me it's a way of manipulating sound, a way of getting to an interesting result by changing the tempo of an instrument (or equivalent) drastically. For that reason, the wider the range of tempo, the better for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Besides 127 being the MIDI limit, with a wider range it gets next to impossible to get smooth tempo changes with a fader, and I guess this is the main application of that feature. To drastically change existing material, I'd look into Alchemy's Granular- and Sample-Modes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLB Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Good point! I'll look into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logicben Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Do you have music that is below 50bpm and/or above 177bpm ? Then it's time to listen to some music: "Bohren Und Der Club Of Gore" or "Sunn O)))" and drum n bass in general on the other side of the spectrum. Unfortunately, there is no development with Logic Environment since years. Not sure if tempo changes might be possible with OSC ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Do you have music that is below 50bpm and/or above 177bpm ? Then it's time to listen to some music I'm not claiming such music does not exist. However, in a live environment (which was the use case) I find it highly unlikely that someone will be able to reliably lock into a click at below 50bpm without subdivisions. Try it, it's pretty hard. Also I doubt that it's essential to cover both ends of the tempo spectrum with a tempo fader. I was questioning the given range being a "huge limitation". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logicben Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 You are right, I apologize, but good bands, anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasso Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Select the Tempo fader, and in the Inspector, set the Tempo input parameters like so: logic-002.png Hi, guys! I need some help... I did it exactly like that, but I can't control the tempo fader with my midi keyboard (Axiom 61) no matter what I try... obviously I'm missing something, so I'll be grateful for your assistance. Thank you in andvance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Could you show how you connected the tempo fader in the Environment and display its inspector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasso Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Could you show how you connected the tempo fader in the Environment and display its inspector? And actually the strange thing is it's working with (and only with) the Modulation slider on my keyboard: With any other knob/slider it doesn't... Edit: Well, I have no idea why the images are not displayed... I put URLs so you could see them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Edit: Well, I have no idea why the images are not displayed... I put URLs so you could see them... Make sure you don't use a 3rd party website to host images. Instead, next time you need to attach images, please follow the instructions to attach them to our forum: How to attach files to your post Thanks! I fixed the images in your previous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Are those other knobs assign to control other things as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasso Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 Are those other knobs assign to control other things as well? Well, it seems that was the problem... Thank you! Sorry for the newb question, but how could I see if a knob is assigned to control something? I did it in a workaround way I think - I just assigned the knob to do something (I suppose it overwrites a previous assignment if there's any), then I deleted that new assignment and voilà! - the knob is obviously available and I could assign it to the tempo fader. But as I tried before that to assign every single knob on my keyboard and none of them worked, it means all of them are assigned to something (right?)... so... is there a way in Logic to see what the knob X actualy does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratquebec Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 ... so... is there a way in Logic to see what the knob X actualy does? Shift+Option+K to open the controller assignments window. Turn a knob on your keyboard to see the assignment. The same is for sliders or buttons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Hoffnung Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 There's a problem. Despite i can change the tempo with a MIDI controller, as soon as i hit play or rec the tempo reverts to it's previous setting. In fact the MIDI controller via the environment fader is not affecting the tempo lane. And the lane will prevail. Any way to have the lane affected by the MIDI controller? otherwise i find it useless. You can change tempo during the playback, but you can't do it before hitting play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gacki Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 For recording it is sufficient to put Logic in "Pause" mode, hit record, adjust the tempo and then hit space to actually record. This will (at least in 10.5.1) record the adjusted tempo at the moment the recording was started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Have you enabled the tempo recording in the projects recording settings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Hoffnung Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Thanks this could help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gacki Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Have you enabled the tempo recording in the projects recording settings? As far as I understand it that's not the main problem: Imagine your song tempo is set to 120 and you have created that slider in the environment. You change the tempo with the slider while Logic is stopped, for example to 100. This is reflected in the "LCD" readout. When you hit "play" Logic will play back at 120, not 100. On the other hand if you change the tempo in the LCD it will play back with that manually changed tempo. This is also visible in the tempo track: direct changes in the LCD affect the tempo track value when Logic is stopped, changes done with the slider don't. It feels not exactly intuitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Hoffnung Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Yes exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 For Logic to keep the tempo changes from the tempo fader, Logic needs to record them. IOW, on its own, Logic will follow the tempo map that is already recorded. Therefore one has to proceed as documented, and also enable the tempo changes option in the project recording settings (as mentioned in my previous post). Otherwise, the tempo fader actions won't be permanent, as you experienced it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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