Danny Wyatt Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 When you change the tempo of your track and lock the SMPTE, the automation isn't locked so you will see that things adapted to the new tempo, but not the automation. With the help (and patience) of David, I was able to figure it out and here's a detailed explanation to those interested in knowing. Hopefully this will save you some time and headaches Sorry if some of these steps are basic and obvious, but I will be explaining everything so everyone can understand how to get there. Note: I don't know if this is the same in all Logic versions and the "Main Window" in older versions is probably called "Tracks Window" or something like that. 1 - Here's your project with some automation, original tempo of 120 bpm, unlocked SMPTE 2 - If you change the tempo to, for example, 60 bpm, and you don't lock the SMPTE, this is what you get (tempo changed, but the automation remained the same) 3 - If you don't have it set yet, go to Logic Pro > Key Commands > Edit... 4 - Find the option "Track Automation Event List" and set a shortcut for it 5 - Once you're done, close the Key Commands window and hit that shortcut. You will now see this window 6 - Without closing it, go to Window > Open Main Window (or if you have a shortcut for that, SMASH IT ) 7 - Now you will see a new window (Main Window) with all the tracks and their automation regions 8 - Select all of them, right click, and go to SMPTE Lock > Lock SMPTE Position 9 - You will now see the lock icon on all your automation regions 10 - Change the tempo of your track (in my example is from 120 bpm to 60 bpm). Now you can see the difference, side by side. Left: tempo changed, without locked SMPTE. Right: tempo changed, with locked SMPTE. 11 - Select the automation regions again, right click, and go to SMPTE Lock > Unlock SMPTE Position. You're done! Hope this is helpful and feel free to leave a comment or ask any questions if something isn't working 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Great! Thank you for adding the detailed how-to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Wyatt Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 David Nahmani said: Great! Thank you for adding the detailed how-to. Always a pleasure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Thank you very much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Wyatt Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Atlas007 said: Thank you very much! always a pleasure to share some tips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speakerfood Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Thanks. I used to draw regions over these kinds of automations, but this is a better solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Wyatt Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 speakerfood said: Thanks. I used to draw regions over these kinds of automations, but this is a better solution. You're welcome Yeah, sometimes I do that as well, when I want to drag automation. Sometimes we just forget where the automation is, though, and we don't want to have lots of empty regions that maybe we will eventually delete once we unlock the SMPTE. Glad you find this useful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Wyatt Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 speakerfood said: Thanks. I used to draw regions over these kinds of automations, but this is a better solution. I just realized who you are… the other day when I left that comment I was like “I think I know this username…” And today it just hit me… PlugSearch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speakerfood Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Yes, that's right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studioj Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 oh man, got burned by this issue today, happy now to come across your tutorial! thank you. Maybe the question is, if we're SMPTE locking our regions, is there any case where we would NOT want to also SMPTE lock the automation? I'm thinking there isn't a use case for this, and so logic should be smart enough to keep the automation in line with our regions. Please send feedback to apple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 I just wonder if the SMPTE lock is available directly from within the automation Event List editor window’s Edit menu? In order to SMPTE-lock (and eventually unlock) the Fader events (after having select them all) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, studioj said: Maybe the question is, if we're SMPTE locking our regions, is there any case where we would NOT want to also SMPTE lock the automation? I'm thinking there isn't a use case for this, and so logic should be smart enough to keep the automation in line with our regions. Personally, I believe that it’s not because we don’t see a reason for something that makes the proof there isn’t. "Absence of evidence/proof is not evidence/proof of absence." Perhaps the solution could be to have an option popping up when using SMPTE-lock or a preference/setting available (or both) as it’s already the case when moving regions… Edited November 22, 2023 by Atlas007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studioj Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Atlas007 said: Personally, I believe that it’s not because we don’t see a reason for something that makes the proof there isn’t. "Absence of evidence/proof is not evidence/proof of absence." Perhaps the solution could be to have an option popping up when using SMPTE-lock or a preference/setting available (or both) as it’s already the case when moving regions… Although I am locking regions and markers all the time as I mess with tempo, definitely don't want pop ups... that's why I have that preference set to "Always" for moving automation with regions. I think as long as that pref is set to 'Always' then automation should always stick with the regions, wherever they are. So this feels like an implementation hole to me. the workaround is tedious to say the least but I'm glad it's available as an option. this part of Logic feels like a hold over from 20 year old code to me, and needs work to modernize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, studioj said: this part of Logic feels like a hold over from 20 year old code I’m pretty sure that a good chunk of Logic’s code is dated from before that… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, Atlas007 said: I just wonder if the SMPTE lock is available directly from within the automation Event List editor window’s Edit menu? It is, but that way you will only be able to lock the automation for one track at a time. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jordi Torres said: It is, but that way you will only be able to lock the automation for one track at a time. J. Ah! Thanx for the precision! That enhance the possibilities… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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