Logic Pro Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 (edited) See pict below All this costs way more then a Ensemble rig., is it worth it? Edited July 14, 2007 by Logic Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcel72 Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 What is your question? This is a complete system. The breakouts (Rosetta or AD/DA-16) handle the conversion, the option cards handle the interfacing, and the mobile card handles PCI access. BTW, I use these converters (Rosetta 800s) in front of and behind a MOTU 2408. I don't get the fantastic latency advertised by the Symphony system, but the conversion quality is sure there. As good as TDM systems, probably less than a quarter the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Pro Posted July 14, 2007 Author Share Posted July 14, 2007 What is your question? This is a complete system. The breakouts (Rosetta or AD/DA-16) handle the conversion, the option cards handle the interfacing, and the mobile card handles PCI access. BTW, I use these converters (Rosetta 800s) in front of and behind a MOTU 2408. I don't get the fantastic latency advertised by the Symphony system, but the conversion quality is sure there. As good as TDM systems, probably less than a quarter the price. All this costs way more then a Ensamble rig., is it worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 All this costs way more then a Ensamble rig., is it worth it? If you need it, it is worth it. If you don't need it, it's not! Basically the Symphony system is going to bring you lower latency, the ability to record more tracks at the same time, and better sound quality. Worth it if you're a big recording studio tracking big projects and delivering commercial recordings on a daily basis, probably not worth it if you're a singer/songwriter/composer working from a home studio and recording one instrument at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcel72 Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I have not used Ensemble, but I hear the converters are somewhat 'budget'... IME, converter quality is very important to the quality of what I am able to produce - I do mostly recording, rather that working with software instruments, and I mix on an analogue board, so the quality (good or bad) of whatever converters I use gets 'magnified' somewhat by that process. Like anything else, you get what you pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Pro Posted July 15, 2007 Author Share Posted July 15, 2007 I have not used Ensemble, but I hear the converters are somewhat 'budget'... IME, converter quality is very important to the quality of what I am able to produce - I do mostly recording, rather that working with software instruments, and I mix on an analogue board, so the quality (good or bad) of whatever converters I use gets 'magnified' somewhat by that process. Like anything else, you get what you pay for. The RME Fireface 800 i got rocks, lots if i/o, stable, everything you need, able to route things like Reason, DrumCore etc via different outputs back into channels and record them (until Logic allows us to bounce Instruments onto there own tracks one day)., etc etc. But it is getting on my nerves to have to use software to lower the levels on my monitors (main outs)., Until my Mackie Universal Control Pro gets here i think i might just about loose it. Ensemble at least has a volume knob., and i read somewhere people saying it is way worth it over RME and MH products., sounds tempting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 I have not used Ensemble, but I hear the converters are somewhat 'budget'... IME, converter quality is very important to the quality of what I am able to produce - I do mostly recording, rather that working with software instruments, and I mix on an analogue board, so the quality (good or bad) of whatever converters I use gets 'magnified' somewhat by that process. Like anything else, you get what you pay for. The Ensemble's converters may not be as good as the Rosetta's but they are very respectable, certainly not what i would call "budget". They are as good or better than any that come with an audio interface under $2000 IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcel72 Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Sorry, yeah, 'budget' by Apogee standards... LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Pro Posted July 15, 2007 Author Share Posted July 15, 2007 I have not used Ensemble, but I hear the converters are somewhat 'budget'... IME, converter quality is very important to the quality of what I am able to produce - I do mostly recording, rather that working with software instruments, and I mix on an analogue board, so the quality (good or bad) of whatever converters I use gets 'magnified' somewhat by that process. Like anything else, you get what you pay for. The Ensemble's converters may not be as good as the Rosetta's but they are very respectable, certainly not what i would call "budget". They are as good or better than any that come with an audio interface under $2000 IMHO. Would you say they are better or the same as MH or REM's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashermusic Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 I have not used Ensemble, but I hear the converters are somewhat 'budget'... IME, converter quality is very important to the quality of what I am able to produce - I do mostly recording, rather that working with software instruments, and I mix on an analogue board, so the quality (good or bad) of whatever converters I use gets 'magnified' somewhat by that process. Like anything else, you get what you pay for. The Ensemble's converters may not be as good as the Rosetta's but they are very respectable, certainly not what i would call "budget". They are as good or better than any that come with an audio interface under $2000 IMHO. Would you say they are better or the same as MH or REM's? Roughly equivalent. maybe a smidge better. The mic-pres are much better than the RME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Pro Posted July 16, 2007 Author Share Posted July 16, 2007 I may just get it now, i will ask if i can bring back the FireFace 800 and pay the balance. Ensemble and a Mackie Universal Pro with Logic is what i will go for. Then the Avalon 737 and a TLM103 I have to have a sort of mobile Pro Tools rig to keep up with my HD system at the big room. I wanted to also ask you what interface your using with M-Powered Pro Tools? I simply have a Ozone keyboard at my Disposal and was thinking of getting a M-Audio ProFire Lightbridge to link up to the Ensemble or FireFace 800 if the store wont let me trade it in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I have not used Ensemble, but I hear the converters are somewhat 'budget'... Yeah that statement made me cringe too... The Ensemble converters are probably the best in its price range!! If you compare the Ensemble and the Rosetta 800, you are comparing: 1) A $2,000 firewire audio interface with 8 A/D/A converters, 4 mic preamps, 4 instrument preamps, 2 headphone amps, software controlled, Logic integration... with 2) A $3,000 box with 8 A/D/A converters. It is pretty obvious that the converters in the second box (Rosetta) are going to be of higher quality. that certainly doesn't make the Ensemble's converters cheap, especially when compared against products in its price range! Also the Ensemble uses the same clock as the Rosetta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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