NicTam Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Hi! I have a little annoying "feature" when using Logic X Pro and Kontakt. It appears when I'm using Spitfire Libraries, can't speak for any other libraries. But a VST plugin in (i.e Felt piano from Spitfire Audio) works totally fine. That makes me think there is something in Kontakt that produces this? As you can see from the screen shot the automation level numbers are not right when in Kontakt. The first two are Kontakt-libraries. As you can see they are showing the same numbers despite different levels. The third track is an audio track and the numbers are showing correctly. Do any of you have some explanation and solution for this? Thank you in advance, Niclas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar17166 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Hi NicTam. I have Kontakt Hyperion. I don't see the problem you see. Which automation (CC automation) are you using? I see Dyn-str, Dy-05E, etc.. in your attached screenshot. Are these effects specific to your library? What if you try to automate simple "Midi volume", do you get the same problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicTam Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Hi! Thanks for getting back to me. 1) There are wrong level numbers for ALL automation parameters in the Kontakt libraries. 2. MIDI-volume works fine and shows the proper numbers. Does that give you any clues? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 The first two are Kontakt-libraries. As you can see they are showing the same numbers despite different levels. The third track is an audio track and the numbers are showing correctly. Maybe I'm missing something. There are all different automation parameters in the screenshot. 15 is not the same number as 5, and the 3rd one shows percentage. Not sure what you're referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicTam Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Hi triplets! Thank you for getting back to me. Maybe I explained this poorly...if so, I apologise. Not any automation parameters is showing a correct number when I'm using Kontakt in Logic. The third picture displays that a regular Wav-file in Logic is showing the numbers correctly. Same with the automation with Logic's own instruments. Everything works fine. But my problem is when using Kontakt. On the first track there should be different numbers? Not 15 all the way. On the second track there should be 127 and 0. Now it says 5 all the way. This happens in Logic when I'm running Spitfire libraries in Kontakt. And again, it happens on ALL parameters. I don't have this problem with Spitfires own VST or LABS. Everything shows up correctly. So I can't say it's Spitfire specific either? Hopefully I explained this problem a little bit better? Maybe it is some setting in Kontakt???? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Ok, I see now what you mean. If 5 is supposed to be all the way, then the number is obviously wrong. But maybe it changes based on the parameter being used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar17166 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 It seems to me that the problem is specific to the library you use, not even kontakt itself. I have a few libraries running in kontakt and cannot reproduce the problem. Have you tried contacting the library people or posting in the kontakt (NI) forums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar17166 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Probably far fetched, but see if this can give you any ideas: https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/host-automation-parameters-not-transferring-to-live.322188/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicTam Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 Hi Omar! Thank you so much for your input. I will try it out! Regards, Niclas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupect Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Was this solved? I'm having the same issue with SoundTower plugins and NI's Noire. Is it an issue of plugins not properly reporting values to Logic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupect Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Attached a coupe screen grabs of the issue. Automation is working exactly as it should, EXCEPT the numerical values in Logic of ALL nodes change to match the numerical value of the last changed node. Automation changes as it should, just the onscreen values are wrong. This has been an issue with SoundTower plugins for me forever, but this post makes me realize it's not just a SoundTower bug as I had suspected. Unlike the OP, a few tries with some Spitfire instruments in Kontakt (and within Komplete Kontrol) wouldn't replicate the issue. I could get the issue in Kontakt (and within Komplete Kontrol) with Noire. So it doesn't seem to be a Kontakt issue, or a Spitfire issue, but rather plugin dependant. Is it that Logic gets these numbers reported from the plugin and some plugins don't report properly? Hmm. Overall range of the automation seems to be reported, as do individual values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicTam Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 Hi Rupect! Thanks for your inout. No, sadluý this issue is still the same for me. But I will try out your theory about the plug-ins. Stay safe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution NicTam Posted February 15, 2023 Author Solution Share Posted February 15, 2023 Looks like I solved my problem described above. After ignoring it for 2 years I sat down and tried out different things. My solution was this: * make the track a region * choose the cc from the drop down in the piano roll And with those settings I get correct numbers for my automations curves in Logic X when using Kontakt. Hope it helps someone. Have a good day! The happy camper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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