PP1965 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Hi, I have just realised that the complete Steinberg menu is missing after updating Logic Pro X to 10.5.1. I made a complete Halion 6 reinstall. Plugin manager validated HALion 6 and HALion Sonic 3 successfully. I can use the standalone version without any problem. But: Steinberg menu is completely missing from the instruments menu... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 If the plugin manager validated Halion, restart Logic, and Halion should be there. Sometimes if you revalidate, and don't quit Logic, the menus don't get updated with the new additions, and this is fixed when you quit and restart Logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 Thanks des99, I have tried it, moreover I have tried to restart the computer as well, the situation is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Can you do a screenshot of the plugin manager showing those plugins? Are you sure you're looking in the instrument plugin menus, and not the regular audio plugin menus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 Sure, I am sending the requested screenshots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Hmm... if you haven't already, try unticking use, quitting and restarting Logic, then re-ticking use, quit and restarting, just to see if they appear. Same with reset and rescan selection. Do the plugins appear as expected in other plugin hosts? (eg, Hosting AU, Live, AU Lab etc) Failing that, you can try trashing your AU cache file, and forcing all plugins to revalidate, and seeing if they show up then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 I have already tried that, nothing helped. Tried to rescan them, cleared the audio cache file, the situation was the same. I have installed Universal Audio's Luna and it can see the Steinberg instruments, so I think there is something wrong in Logic Pro X 10.5(.1). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Have you tried contacting Steinberg support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 Not yet, but I think there is no other option... Thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 If you find a solution, it would be good if you could post back in case others have a similar issue. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 I will, thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splunk Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Hi Peter, I'm on 10.5.1 and I've got Halion 6 running pretty much all the time and I just checked and I also have the Steinberg folder in my AU Instruments drop down. The only obvious thing I see that's different in our setups is that I'm still on Mojave. Have you tried creating a custom folder in the Plug In Manager? For instance, I have a folder called Sample Players that includes all of my sample based plug ins. I'm just curious if Halion will show up in Logic if you drag it to a custom folder since that's where I normally access it on my system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 Hi splunk, Thanks for your answer. I have created a new HALion folder in Plug In Manager and assigned HALion and HALion Sonic to that folder, but unfortunately the situation remained the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 I have found an interesting difference in case of HALion plugins. The sharing permissions for these to ones are the following: (/Library/Audio/Plug-ins/Components/) - system (user): read/write - wheel (group): read only - everyone (group): read only In case of other installed components: - peterposafalvi (user): read/write - staff (group): sometimes read/write and sometimes read only - everyone (group): read only Can this be the problem? I can add myself to the sharing permission and delete wheel, but I can't find the group named stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splunk Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I have found an interesting difference in case of HALion plugins. The sharing permissions for these to ones are the following: (/Library/Audio/Plug-ins/Components/) - system (user): read/write - wheel (group): read only - everyone (group): read only I just checked and it looks like all of my AU plug-ins have this permission set, so I don't know if this is your problem. I seem to have all the same settings, but everything works over here. I hate problems like this. They're so frustrating! I'll keep thinking about it and if I come up with anything, I'll let you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Thank you in advance. I have contacted to the Steinberg support, I'm looking forward to their answer. I will inform you and this forum if I get any answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 Steinberg support doesn't really care about this issue. According to them it must be a Logic issue. I have sent a bug report to Apple as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 Today I have got a lot of help and support from Apple. I created a new partition on my iMac Pro and installed only Catalina, Logic Pro X and Halion 6. For the first time the validation crashed but finally it was finished successfully. This way the Steinberg menu appeared and I could open Halion 6. Unfortunately I have no idea how I could resolve this issue on the main partition without reinstalling everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Often when something weird happens in a user account, it can be difficult to isolate and fix it. *Sometimes*, depending on the severity of the issue, it's easier just to move everything to a new user account, and therefore avoid the old weirdness completely, but that's obviously a fairly severe and disruptive thing to do. I'd be thinking that there might be some permissions issues, and I'd make sure that Logic preferences, and the folder that Logic stores all the plugin manager configurations have good permissions. I can't remember whether you cleared out the tag database, but it might be an idea to try at least temporarily moving all the plugin manager data somewhere else (so you can restore it if necessary), and letting Logic create new data, in case there's something weird going on with a plugin manager folder name collision or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 Thank you, des99. Would you please help me, where can I find plugin manager's data in the file system? How can I clear the tag database? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Its ~/Music/Audio Music Apps/Databases/Tags/ Move all the files out of the Tags folder, then restart Logic. Worth a try, at least... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 I have tried it but unfortunately it hasn't helped. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I thought it was probably a long shot. I can't really think of much else to try, and unfortunately I don't have any Steinberg plugins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 Thank you des99 for your help and time. I hope Apple or Steinberg will find the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 Today I tried to reinstall Mac OS X but it hasn’t helped. Finally I created a new admin user, started Logic and after the validation of the plugins I could create a new empty project with an instrument track. And YES, the Steinberg menu was there, I could use it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbambino Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I'd also be very happy to know where to look for plugin manager folders in the file system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP1965 Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 If I know well Plugin Manager monitors this folder: Macintosh HD/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components. You can find Plugin Manager framework here: Macintosh HD/Library/Frameworks/PluginManager.framework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I'd also be very happy to know where to look for plugin manager folders in the file system? Plugin manager tags are stored in the location I mentioned above - they are not folders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbambino Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 So if I trash those tags is that gonna be different to using the Reset to Default tab inside Plugin Manager? (My issue is that I named a custom folder Imaging while a Logic folder of the same name already existed and that has caused minor problems it seems.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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