No more midi notes velocity compression/expansion in 10.8?

[jacou]

Hi, since I updated to Logic 10.8 there seems to be no more way to compress/expand the midi notes velocity dynamics.

When you go into a midi region via double click, select all midi notes in that region and then try to drag all velocities up or down in the automation/MIDI view (viewing velocity), all midi note velocity values keep the same dynamic relationship. There is no more compression or expansion. All previous Logic versions would compress the midi note velocity values by dragging them down or expand them by dragging them up. I heavily rely on that feature with orchestral composition.

Is there any other (simple) way to achieve that midi velocity compression/expansion?

Thank you!

[David Nahmani]

You're right, this features seems to be gone in Logic Pro 10.8. 

You can use the Dynamics parameter in the Region inspector, then if you wish to apply it destructively, use Functions > MIDI Region Parameters > Apply All Parameters Permanently (or press Control-N).

[jacou]

17 minutes ago, David Nahmani said:

You're right, this features seems to be gone in Logic Pro 10.8. 

You can use the Dynamics parameter in the Region inspector, then if you wish to apply it destructively, use Functions > MIDI Region Parameters > Apply All Parameters Permanently (or press Control-N).

Thank you David for the reply!

What a bummer that that feature is gone. It was a part of my everyday workflow 😞 I hope it’s coming back!

Thank you for the workaround idea. I actually never used the dynamic parameter in the region inspector. Good to know that it’s there.

Is there maybe a key that I can press and hold while dragging midi note velocities that will change the dynamics? Or while moving the velocity slider in the piano roll? It’s hard to believe that the devs remove that feature without any proper alternative.

[David Nahmani]

26 minutes ago, jacou said:

Is there maybe a key that I can press and hold while dragging midi note velocities that will change the dynamics?

Well I tried a few combinations but couldn't make it work here. 😞 

[danisalat]

I just realized that on my secondary computer. Definitely reporting it to Apple and not updating my studio computer. I can't live without that

[mattrixx]

You can still compress if you add the option key to the (Control + Command) Velocity tool on the selection of notes. (Checked just now).

[Richard Herczeg]

3 hours ago, mattrixx said:

You can still compress if you add the option key to the (Control + Command) Velocity tool on the selection of notes. (Checked just now).

I can't make this work. What are you doing exactly?

[David Nahmani]

3 hours ago, mattrixx said:

You can still compress if you add the option key to the (Control + Command) Velocity tool on the selection of notes. (Checked just now).

Option-dragging a velocity line in the automation area of the Piano Roll does not work here. Do you mean something else? 

[mattrixx]

Yeah David, I mean the actual notes in the Piano roll, using the velocity tool.

[Richard Herczeg]

4 minutes ago, mattrixx said:

Yeah David, I mean the actual notes in the Piano roll, using the velocity tool.

I've tried that. Still can't make it work. Option+Control+Command = ?

[David Nahmani]

4 minutes ago, mattrixx said:

Yeah David, I mean the actual notes in the Piano roll, using the velocity tool.

Ok so even that does not work here. It doesn't matter which modifier(s) I hold, I get the same result as simply dragging. No compression/expansion. 

[mattrixx]

You have to start without the option key and add it once you see the "v" tool...

[Richard Herczeg]

3 minutes ago, mattrixx said:

You have to start without the option key and add it once you see the "v" tool...

start with the option key = magnification tool

"add" what?

Edited November 9, 2023 by Richard Herczeg

[mattrixx]

Aargh..I'm making this sound too confusing. If I get a chance tonight I'll make a quick video.

 

[David Nahmani]

Just now, mattrixx said:

You have to start without the option key and add it once you see the "v" tool...

That allows you to push the velocities further up as one of the note raises its max velocities, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about expanding the dynamics while dragging even when none of the notes have max or min velocity. 

Here's how it worked in 10.7.9 (dragging the velocity lines in the automation area); 

[Richard Herczeg]

9 minutes ago, mattrixx said:

If I get a chance tonight I'll make a quick video.

Yes please. I think many would like to see the velocity compress/expand feature in the Piano Roll restored.

Edit: Never mind. I figured out what you're doing.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Richard Herczeg

[mattrixx]

Ok, yep, Roget that. That way.

[Richard Herczeg]

Oh well. Back to square one.

[polanoid]

12 hours ago, jacou said:

What a bummer that that feature is gone. It was a part of my everyday workflow 😞 I hope it’s coming back!

That's definitely a bug. Hopefully they'll fix it soon. You should report it via Apple's feedback page https://www.apple.com/feedback/logic-pro/

[jacou]

Yes it’s reported.

Another issue with midi velocities that I experience in 10.8 is when I select and open multiple midi regions and try to increase or decrease the midi velocities of multiple regions at the same time. Before 10.8 I could select midi notes of multiple regions and use the velocity slider to change them. Now it only changes the velocities of only one region at a time.

I guess that’s another bug 🙈

[Holger Lagerfeldt]

This important features has been broken and working on/off over all the years, as long as I can remember.

 

[polanoid]

1 hour ago, jacou said:

Another issue with midi velocities that I experience in 10.8 is when I select and open multiple midi regions and try to increase or decrease the midi velocities of multiple regions at the same time. Before 10.8 I could select midi notes of multiple regions and use the velocity slider to change them. Now it only changes the velocities of only one region at a time.

I guess that’s another bug 🙈

Yes, already covered in another thread in this forum. Haven't got the time to find the link right now.

Edited November 9, 2023 by polanoid

[David Nahmani]

1 hour ago, jacou said:

Another issue with midi velocities that I experience in 10.8 is when I select and open multiple midi regions and try to increase or decrease the midi velocities of multiple regions at the same time. Before 10.8 I could select midi notes of multiple regions and use the velocity slider to change them. Now it only changes the velocities of only one region at a time.

You have to hold down Option. See the animation in that comment:

[polanoid]

40 minutes ago, David Nahmani said:

You have to hold down Option. See the animation in that comment:

That won't help in this context (multiple MIDI regions selected, Velocity change via Velocity Slider). That's just broken (will only change velocities for the first region), worked fine in 10.7.9.

Using the Velocity Tool works though, so that would be an easy workaround I guess.

Edited November 9, 2023 by polanoid

[David Nahmani]

I read too fast, I thought this was about multiple notes (not multiple regions). 

[polanoid]

Just now, David Nahmani said:

I read too fast, I thought this was about multiple notes (not multiple regions). 

So much to read, so little time...

[jacou]

Thanks everyone for your knowledge and help! So we'll have to report, wait and see... ☕️

[ozinga]

Maybe they are getting ready for skewing feature. One can hope 🙂

[Richard Herczeg]

With respect to workflow I like this new behaviour in 10.8 but not having the previous behaviour as well is a workflow disaster. Surely it can't be hard to engineer both with a modifier key.

Edited November 12, 2023 by Richard Herczeg

[Piotr Matuszewski]

You can also increase and decrease the dynamic range of the velocity using MIDI TRANSFORM, it works well, but you need to do a few more steps. We are waiting for corrections....