WING

[cocoroman]

Is there anybody; give me Behringer WING, with DN4816-I some clues? Thx again..

[DolmensDude]

have you seen this?

https://mediadl.musictribe.com/download/software/behringer/WING/WING_DAW_Documentation.pdf

Was looking at your previous posts here, and you seem to have difficulty with Wing in DAW mode.

I have a Wing. I have one of the first ones delivered.  About a year later, the DAW mode was implemented, and it has always worked for me.

A couple of things about Wing...

1. there is no preset for routing audio in and out of Logic on the Wing. You have to build one, specific to your own situation.  You can route anything to any of the USB channels (sources and outputs in the Wing terminology, so this includes busses, Main mix 1, 2, 3, 4 and more from the Wing going into your Mac. It also doesn't just have to be Logic...). Very flexible, it took me a couple of days to figure out what I wanted, and then build that.  

From Mac to Wing same thing... you've got 48 channels on the USB coming in. It's going to depend on how and what you want to actually mix on the Wing, versus mix in the box in Logic.  I mix in the box in Logic, and only "mix" what my monitoring is.  It's an awful lot like a modular synth - something to goes to something and you have to build that yourself. So I route Main mix, and useful stuff not in the MainMix coming out of Logic's in-the-box mixer to Wing, only to support monitoring while tracking... I don't do any live mixing work at all. The Wing stays put here.

2. The DAW remote section, since it uses all the faders on the DAW, is split into a main MCU plus 2 extenders.  You'll need to configure on the Wing, where you want the main MCU, and the two extenders to show up on the Wing itself while in DAW mode.

So in Logic, as that document I linked to shows, there are in fact 3 devices, in a group, that make up the whole DAW control surface on Wing.

On the Wing, under Setup and on the DAW tab, there's a parameter "Emulation", and there you have to map the 3 different virtual MCU components from left to right. I have 1, 2, 3, 1, 3.  That makes sense to me, but you might like something different.  Configuration is MCU + 2x EXTENDER.  Again, this is really up to you, but I wanted all the faders to be in DAW mode, when in... DAW mode. I can flip out of DAW mode and then I'm changing the Wing itself.  It's what makes sense to me, but finding that others using Wing in a studio setting are all going about this a little differently.

Lastly, doesn't seem like there are a lot of Wing users here, but over on the Behringer Wing User group over on Facebook, there are a lot. Many also use Logic, even if it's just to help them virtual soundcheck their setups live... but they're there.

Your StageConnect device, which gives you more connected line inputs to use as sources on/in the Wing that you route to channels within the Wing? There are guys who use those, but they're relatively new - but almost everyone has 16 and 32 channel stage boxes and the concepts are exactly the same, it's just a different "stage box".

The really sad part is there is just no way to share preset #1 is for Logic... because it doesn't exist.  You've got to make/build it yourself, for your setup, and your wishes.

When all is said and done, I've got inputs going into my Wing, I can choose to use Wing channel stuff before going into Logic if I want. I can also just tie-wire the input straight into Logic and not even use a channel... but to keep my head on straight I use channels.  I have a full DAW control surface for Logic, with jogwheel. It's really nice that way. I can toggle back and forth between DAW mode and the Wing, which is useful for headphone mixes, monitoring, and more...  The Wing is really a kind of Swiss Army knife in all of these parts of my workflow, but... I really had to "dig" to find out what works with what, and I had to really plan my audio flows, as well as the workflow I would want to have.

It works really well, but I struggled for a few days, would stop, go back to the drawing board and then restart...

In summary, Wings are a great piece of kit... and there are thousands of users already. Community just "isn't here" for Wing, but they're "over there".  Look for Guillaume Lortie on YouTube. The guy holds seeking question and answer live YouTubes. I think he also does some consultant work for folks needed 1-on-1 help getting started. A ton of stuff and help over there.

3. USB 48x48 channel mode can actually run at 32 sample buffer in Logic on Apple Silicon machines running Sonoma. Not so before Sonoma, so while it's never really recommended to go with latest macOS, there is some benefit here. I'm running latest on all machines, as well as latest Logic. Ditto MainStage.

Hope this helps - I wouldn't know anything about your specifics in your studio, so I can't help you on that further, but what I wrote above? That's what I tell folks using Wing with Logic, and they tend to find their way with the information above.

Much luck with this - it's a puzzle, but once you've got it figured out?  It's pretty nice!