JacoBirdTrane Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Why would G4 be much softer than other notes on the keyboard within Logic Pro ? the sounds used ( elec piano suitcase ) all seem to have the G4 much softer Why ? thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscwilde Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Is it your actual keyboard that has a faulty key? Transpose up or down an octave or two and record a part to see if it's a physical problem with the note on the controller. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 where is it softer? on all instruments? on your monitors? is there something with your workspace, where that frequency dips? (altho the @oscwilde tip is the first place to start...) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacoBirdTrane Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 10 minutes ago, fisherking said: where is it softer? on all instruments? on your monitors? is there something with your workspace, where that frequency dips? (altho the @oscwilde tip is the first place to start...) Thanks for quick response ok it’s my finger tapping the trackpad on the Mac G4 is unusually unacceptably softer than other surrounding notes remember I’m clueless about about tech but sharp with music keyboards can vary slightly for acoustically or mechanical reasons The difference in volume db between G4 And adjacent notes ( G#4 F# etc ) is extreme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacoBirdTrane Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Sorry I missed an important part of your question eg the acoustic piano is OK on G4 it seems to be electric pianos that have. This extreme unevenness ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscwilde Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Electric pianos? Logic's Vintage Electric Piano? A Sampler instrument....or a third-party EP instrument? Remember we're sharp with tech, but clueless about what you're doing/using.....so are reliant on what you tell us in order to offer advice/potential solutions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacoBirdTrane Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 (edited) Sorry if the word sharp was off putting. It’s just that there is such an extreme difference in knowledge and experience anywho. Classic electric piano at g4 is softest and G#4 is also softer on hardware based keyboards there are mechanical and or acoustic reasons why a note might be louder The degree of softened of the G4 would incline me not to use that sound at all the Bosendorfer piano is ok on the G4. So this appears to be a locale issue to that electric piano I have not gone through every piano or sound as time passes I will but for now the Classic electric piano is not playable at G4 and G#4 Again this is just my first attempt using the TRACKPAD!! I am looking forward to using a dedicated midi keyboard to trigger ( is that the correct term. Trigger ) the Logic Pro sounds BTW I’ve owned a few fender Rhodes pianos and ever one of them varied in terms of shall we say good bad ok awful and wonderful some Rhodes I would not want to play at all i worked with an artist who successfully used Rhodes suitcase 88. And he hired a piano tech to adjust the Rhodes action anyway thank you for your help Edited February 15 by JacoBirdTrane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscwilde Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 28 minutes ago, JacoBirdTrane said: Sorry if the word sharp was off putting Not the wording, just the lack of information....regardless of the level of experience. No-one here is omniscient, so we're all reliant on the info provided by other posters to formulate ideas and potential solutions to any given problem. Without detail, we're firing off shots in the dark. WRT the trackpad as the trigger...modern Macbooks are velocity and pseudo pressure (aftertouch) sensitive. Your trackpad "force click" settings may need a tweak if this is a factor: https://support.apple.com/en-au/102309 As an alternative input method in the absence of a MIDI controller keyboard, try musical typing. Is the Classic EP consistent from a volume perspective on the G4/G#4 notes? https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/logicpro/lgcpb19cbd34/mac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) So I tried it with the Vintage Electric Piano in default setting, no patch, and the G4 plays at -25.7 db while surrounding notes are around -21 db, pretty audible. However, other presets (e..g. "Bright Suitcase") works fine here... EDIT Ok, found several others now that show the same glitch, not sure why this is happening... Edited February 15 by JakobP 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacoBirdTrane Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 I’m a solely a musician. So from that pov. Two notes “much softer” means avoid those notes 100 years ago a genius named Art Tatum just avoided bad or out of tune notes !! anyways. I am looking forward to using a small keyboard to trigger midi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I can reproduce this issue with the G4 note being softer than all other notes on the default Vintage Electric Piano patch here. Looks like a bug to me. G#4 is on par with all other notes though, it's not softer. I'll report this bug. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscwilde Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Only in specific models. Wondering if the modeling was designed to replicate the misalignment of pickups or a popular pickup modification (overlapping pickups)....although you'd expect this to cover a range, rather than a note. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 5 minutes ago, oscwilde said: although you'd expect this to cover a range, rather than a note. And you'd expect this kind of "default modeling" to be optional, as in the Vintage B3 instrument plug-in. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonshu Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 We've had this issue in another forum a couple of weeks ago. In that case it was a Sampler instrument and it turned out that the volume on the zones for those notes had to be increased. I know, I know... we couldn't believe it either, but that's what it was... on the factory library... Perhaps it's the same in this case? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, wonshu said: Perhaps it's the same in this case? But the epiano is a modelled piano - it's not based on samples... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacoBirdTrane Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 (edited) 8 hours ago, oscwilde said: Only in specific models. Wondering if the modeling was designed to replicate the misalignment of pickups or a popular pickup modification (overlapping pickups)....although you'd expect this to cover a range, rather than a note . Oscar. I’ve owned these in the distant past . I’ve played a number of Rhodes ( you could call me a Rhodes ahem Scholar) I don’t recall such a disparity between adjacent notes - and G and G# 4 is pretty important note range but frankly ANYWHERE it is unacceptable that said I like the logic Rhodes offerings I’d say based on distant memories I PREFER the logic Rhodes , to some of the actual Rhodes! That’s right . I hope this glitch can be addressed someday trivia my former bandleader Eumir Deodato (Brazilian / NYC) ended a composition of his, on two notes several octaves apart on an 88 suitcase i think the lowest E on Rhodes and a very high G. Not sure if the highest G or an octave lower. just two notes, and on the Rhodes it sounded quite good. Of course he was in genius territory Edited February 15 by JacoBirdTrane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMCCLUNG64 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 So is this an acknowledged bug? Mainstage 3.6.6, M1 Mac Mini, MacOS 14.2 Classic EP (doesn't matter which model): notes lose volume, starting with D3 going to F3 being completely inaudible, and then volume returning above A3 Midi message for these notes is being sent at 127, and channel strip fader shows signal (-3db max) but no sound at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, MMCCLUNG64 said: So is this an acknowledged bug? Apple does not publicly acknowledge bugs, but it's certainly reproducible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMCCLUNG64 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Hahahaha. Of course. And no known workaround? I should just rip out that modeled instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscwilde Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, MMCCLUNG64 said: And no known workaround? Real time transform, MIDI plug-in modifier. There are ways around it.....but if it's a bug, it should be rectified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMCCLUNG64 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 say more? the midi signal is being transmitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 He meant you could modify the MIDI signal appropriately to make up for the weird behaviour of the instrument, if it was important to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polanoid Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 3 hours ago, MMCCLUNG64 said: Mainstage 3.6.6, M1 Mac Mini, MacOS 14.2 Classic EP (doesn't matter which model): notes lose volume, starting with D3 going to F3 being completely inaudible, and then volume returning above A3 I'm not seeing this here (does anyone except @MMCCLUNG64?). Especially not the “completely inaudible” part 3 hours ago, MMCCLUNG64 said: Midi message for these notes is being sent at 127, and channel strip fader shows signal (-3db max) but no sound at all. Any phase cancelling going on after your E-Piano instrument plug-in? Edited March 12 by polanoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscwilde Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 hours ago, polanoid said: Any phase cancelling going on after your E-Piano instrument plug-in? Or potentially an alternative (internal) keyboard curve on the controller itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polanoid Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 12 hours ago, David Nahmani said: Apple does not publicly acknowledge bugs That's a bit too general, isn't it? Every Logic release comes with an extensive list of contained fixes. If that isn't acknowledging bugs then what is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polanoid Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 2/15/2024 at 11:55 AM, oscwilde said: Only in specific models. I'm seeing the specific drop on G4 only in the Deluxe Classic model. I don't even know what original hardware is modelled here (does anyone here know and has played the original?), so I can't say if that might even be intentional. On 2/15/2024 at 1:40 AM, JacoBirdTrane said: the Bosendorfer piano is ok on the G4 Bösendorfer Piano <-> electric piano == Apples <-> Oranges 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscwilde Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 50 minutes ago, polanoid said: I don't even know what original hardware is modelled here Rhodes (although not sure about the Deluxe models myself?) Logic Pro User Guide — Rhodes models Hohner/Wurlis Logic Pro User Guide — Hohner and Wurlitzer models 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polanoid Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 minutes ago, oscwilde said: Rhodes I guess so, yes 9 minutes ago, oscwilde said: not sure about the Deluxe models myself Neither am I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polanoid Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 BTW this article does not contain the word "Deluxe" 😉 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodes_piano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMCCLUNG64 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Dropout happens regardless of which controller I use. And as mentioned, I can see the midi signal sending F3 @ 127 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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