hi-zed Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Do you find that its pretty much impossible to understand? I have been going through all the basic tutorials and have Todd Winkler's 'composing interactive music' book but still it is pretty hard to understand, MIDI is the hardest bit about it second understanding audio, a good book ive found helpful that has practically everything about music in it is Curtis Roads 'Computer music tutorial' I wish there were more workshops being held in Britain (I'm from Wales) as there is nothing better than hand's on approaches with someone guiding you through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 It's probably not realistic to try and learn Max/MSP without a firm understanding of how MIDI and digital audio works. Yes, you may want to find some classes, but it's not totally unreasonable to teach yourself. Try to bite them off one at a time. You can certainly teach yourself MIDI and just work with Max, (not MSP) for a while. Surely there must be an electronic music class held somewhere near you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtL Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Are you using Max 4 or Max 5? I spent a few months with a trial version of 4.5 before upgrading and buying the full package when Max 5 came out. (And having trundled through tutorials for both, I find the Max 5 ones to be much more helpful.) Peter Elsea has written GREAT tutorials (which are built in 4, if you do have a penchant for square corners.) I found them really helpful just to recreate the patches from his book. While you go, opt click on EVERY OBJECT to get a feel for what it does, what messages it sends, and how the pieces interact. -=- Sigh. It seems the ftp site where they live is down. They should be here-abouts. ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/MaxTutors/ Try again later. Or try googling Peter Elsea max tutorials. -=- Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi-zed Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 cheers for the help mate im trying to learn max 5 was learning PD before and I find that Max 5 is so well documented compared to PD, probably will take me years to learn it but its well worth it in the end, I wish Logic could integrate it like Ableton 8 is going to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtL Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I actually found that the MaxMSP tutorials drastically improved my understanding and ability with Logic's Environment. (Once I get used to some of Logic's quirks, like the automated paths cables takes. Not such a bad thing. Just different.) Hang in there. Grind on. You're learning a new language, and that takes time. Results are not always immediately evident, (and this can be discouraging.) Excelsior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter_Odington Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Random exploration of the tutorials and documentation is definitely how I learned the most. I did a short course at Goldsmiths in London, and it was good. Sebastian Lexer was the tutor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cut981 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BazTutorials&view=videos some max/msp tutorials.....really good stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psy-fi Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Max/Msp it's really crazy! If u open the help patches and open the lock, u can copy and paste all objects the objects there always sounds Really saves a lot of time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dx1200 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 read the max 5 tutorials. you can read them here - http://www.cycling74.com/docs/max5/vignettes/intro/docintro.html take a look at this too - http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/maxmsp-diary-the-big-idea-171643 The best resource for learning is the forum I think. Read the tutorials, practice, then search the forum archives and you'll generally find answers to your questions. If not post a topic and someone will help you pretty quickly. It is very addictive but well worth it. Hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi-zed Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 cheers everyone for the help i think a short course is coming to london quite soon provided by goldsmiths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmdaugherty Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'm looking into the "MAXforLIVE" add-on to ableton live. Lets you program with all of the max objects inside live. this running rewire could be a very powerful mpc replacer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fader8 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I'm looking into the "MAXforLIVE" add-on to ableton live. Lets you program with all of the max objects inside live. this running rewire could be a very powerful mpc replacer. Considering the Max/MSP Live extension is practically the whole Max package, even some Jitter components I think, it will probably not be an inexpensive add-on. I'll be interested to see what they would charge me as I already have Max/MSP/Jitter. I know f you already owned the AAS Modeling Collection, there was no break at all on the AAS synths they integrated as Live extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmdaugherty Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 They *claim* that there is a discount... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtL Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 "Claim" indeed! I don't yet own Ableton 8. So buying that, plus M4L... even with a discount, will not be... as sweet a deal as Logic Studio Academic was. (I don't believe M4L works with Ableton 7.) Did we all hear that they've discontinued Pluggo? I'm wondering if they'll pack all (or even some) of the legacy pluggos into M4L. The difference now being, all M4L example patches are able to be edited. I would love to climb inside and see how they were made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundhacker Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 the best way to learn max is to focus on SOME of the objects, try to make some simple stuff by yourself then add more. although the tutorials are good and gives you the gradual spectrum of max possibilities the catch 22 is not to overwhelm yourself by them rather to narrow it. less is more with max is soooo true.... goodluck and dont give up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundhacker Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Did we all hear that they've discontinued Pluggo? I'm wondering if they'll pack all (or even some) of the legacy pluggos into M4L.. they actually are going to do that, but it wont make any difference if the pluggos wont be able to control other Live objects (like Simpler for instance). For me the lack of semimodular ability to control one device with another ( aka lfo1 in Operator controlling the samplestart in Sampler) is the biggest nogo for Live.i was able to do those kind of control in c74 radiaL (which they ditched as well) and get some really nice results. they ditched 4 out of 5 of their products i am using daily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musick Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 .... the tutorials are good and gives you the gradual spectrum of max possibilities the catch 22 is not to overwhelm yourself by them .... Just started to look at Max/MSP (30 days eval) and indeed it's overwelming But I'm pleasantly suprised by the strict logical approach (opposed to e.g. reaktor) and it looks everything you can think of can be made in Max. The tutorials (which you can unlock and edit) are awsome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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