Darren Burgos Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Tighter Bass lines At lot of third party synthesizers have the ability to have their oscillators set to "re-trigger." In a real analog synthesizer when you press a key on it's keyboard, the oscillator is triggered at random positions along the waveform. Sometimes it's at the top of the cycle, sometimes it's at the bottom. You end up with a varied, more unpredictable sound. In modern dance music where the bass needs to be tight and hit the same way every time, re-starting the oscillator at the exact same position is vital. Many people are surprised to know that the ES2 synthesizer has re-trigger built in...it's just not called re-trigger, it's called "OSC Start." The soft position restarts the waveform/oscillators at the zero crossing point, where as the hard position restarts at the highest point of the waveform. Try changing your bass or lead sounds to to either soft or hard and hear the difference. You'll go from a relatively sloppy sound to total tightness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharealdi Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Nice tip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midischool Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Great tip, ES2 is a powerful synth, really good instrument! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amit Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Super Tip. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe777 Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Excellent tip thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madgear Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Nice tip,thanks for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Like_Organs Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 This explains a lot actually, thanks so much for sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Noonan Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Thanks so much, gotta go mess with that now haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiec Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 thanks! very interesting. used it on sylenth but had no idea you could do it on ES2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.bot Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I have a synth that I made in the ES2 and I'm almost happy with it but when I trigger the synth it starts soft and then gets loud but when I put it to "hard" it turns into a completely different sound that I do not desire. I've tried playing with the envelope parameters like attack sustain delay but it doesn't comes out the same i don't get that hard synth sound from the start. How do you get something like that to sound tighter and when you trigger the sound it's loud rather than soft without changing the sound i already created? Is it the oscillators or do I have to mix it in the vector routing??? IDK I am stumped.. Help a brotha out....please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuzzyG Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Thanks really helpful advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradesman Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 nice one 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palermomean Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Thank for nice tip, it's really work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundbase Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Great Tip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-KLPSE Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 One thing to add to the Osc start function is of it's pitfalls. If you are using the ES2 in unison mode the will cause all the voices to be played at the same time, so essentially you will lose the desired effect of unison. Where the whole idea around unison is to randomize the phase of the oscillators while stacking a number of voices over the to to get a big fat sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Lagerfeldt Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Electronic & Dance Music Production in Logic Pro class I teach for Logic Pro Help. Seems to be a 404? - Another tip for getting a tighter bass is to use a good opto coupled compressor. The opto mode in Logic's compressor won't do the trick unfortunately, because it doesn't have the desired non-linear response of the real deal. The Waves Renaissance in opto mode will work very well, however. As the gain reduction comes closer to zero, the release will slow down. This keeps the tail of the bass compressed and puts focus on the attack or impact of the bass, leading to a tighter sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Seems to be a 404? Thanks for that - I just fixed the link - and picture as well. Thanks also for adding to that tip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtyWilson Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hey, Thanks for the tip on Tighter Bass Lines! .... it'll really help me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeverz Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lippeth Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I thought it meant real bass so I'm disappointed in a way, but I also do electronic from time to time so this was still vital advice. But I still say 'false advertising'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncer Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 - Another tip for getting a tighter bass is to use a good opto coupled compressor. The opto mode in Logic's compressor won't do the trick unfortunately, because it doesn't have the desired non-linear response of the real deal. The Waves Renaissance in opto mode will work very well, however. As the gain reduction comes closer to zero, the release will slow down. This keeps the tail of the bass compressed and puts focus on the attack or impact of the bass, leading to a tighter sound. hi lagerfeldt what approximate RCompressor's settings would you recommend for bass? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyMerry Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Thanks a lot Darren. This is something I wondered about. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psykayatwist Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Aaah of course it all makes sense now !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambo Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 So simple but so effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopper76 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Thats a great tip! cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinloops Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Great tip! thanks. Another trick I use to get punchy bass lines is to sidechain a noise suppressor (instead of compressor) from a drum track. Put the noise suppressor on a negative value (so that when it triggers it add volume instead of gating). When the drum hits trigger the sidechained noise suppressor (working in reverse), the bass volume gets raised a hair. Makes the bass really punchy and helps it stand out over the drum kicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zupanaobia Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Good stuff, thx man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shay_E Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 really great tip ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westenra Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Great tip! thanks. Another trick I use to get punchy bass lines is to sidechain a noise suppressor (instead of compressor) from a drum track. Put the noise suppressor on a negative value (so that when it triggers it add volume instead of gating). When the drum hits trigger the sidechained noise suppressor (working in reverse), the bass volume gets raised a hair. Makes the bass really punchy and helps it stand out over the drum kicks. Hey Robinloops, this looks like a great idea, but when I tried it myself I didn't really get what you mean by putting the Noise Gate on a "negative value". Can you explain this in a bit more detail to help me out please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roisen Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Thanks for the tip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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