babydaddymusic Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I've spent some time testing this- listening in various places. I feel that Pro Tools has a mid, high mid thing whereas Logic sounds more like a 70's record- almost like a tape thing. I'm using the same converter which is an Apogee Ensemble Before that, I would track drums with a Profire 2626 in Logic and then track everything else with my Apogee Duet. One time I tracked a song with the 2626 and stayed in protools and it just has more of an edge than the Logic songs recorded around the same time period. I know people debate this a lot- I am not alone, for sure- I've wondered if it has to do with my workflow in Logic, etc... but I use a lot of the same plugins (Waves SSL and CLA compressors) Anyone else found this to be true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I haven't had much of a chance to play around with PT (and it's been a fair few years since I did), but to be honest, and with the greatest of respect, I think you're deluding yourself. If there is a difference, it must be in your workflow and how you are affecting the sounds with plugins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Actually, I hear it too. Somewhere between Duct tape and Scotch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Actually, I hear it too. Somewhere between Duct tape and Scotch. Duct is called "gaffer" over here, and the different name does actually add a bit more "tapeyness" to the sound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyreww Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Actually, I hear it too. Somewhere between Duct tape and Scotch. Duct is called "gaffer" over here, and the different name does actually add a bit more "tapeyness" to the sound! Duct/Gaffer is good stuff....need to try packing tape on your mastering chain, it really glues everything together and makes it sound good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SculliD Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) don't know about it sounding like tape. But yes it does sound better to me than PT. Something in the high end on PT that i just don't like. And yes I'm using the same gear with both DAWs. If you can't hear a difference,please don't dog someone who does. Peace, Kevin Edited November 9, 2011 by SculliD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 i dunno...i kinda agree. protools sounds a little clearer, more 'digital', and logic does sound warmer (but slightly less clear). not scientific, but what i hear. the tradeoff? makes little difference, am happier in logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SculliD Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Maybe a bit too clear to me. Good observation Fisherking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 If you can't hear a difference,please don't dog someone who does. It's not so much about whether there's a difference or not, folks who hear an appreciable difference between DAWs (once pan law is accounted for) will stick to their beliefs no matter what evidence is put before them. I'm fine with that, it doesn't affect me. Maybe it's the 48bit mixing engine vs. the 32bit floating point or whatever, I don't know, I'm not a scientist. The "dogging" ( ) was more because I don't know what could possibly be said here that hasn't been said a million times already on gearslutz. I'll leave you with my favourite word on the subject: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Duct/Gaffer is good stuff....need to try packing tape on your mastering chain, it really glues everything together and makes it sound good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwproject Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Well you can record on sticky tape and rust, the same way you record on to magnetic tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beej Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Maybe it's the 48bit mixing engine vs. the 32bit floating point or whatever, I don't know, I'm not a scientist. I thought PT had just recently gone 32f entirely now? (with quotes on Avid's pages saying things like "PT sounds soo much better now"... go figure... :rolleyes:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Maybe it's the 48bit mixing engine vs. the 32bit floating point or whatever, I don't know, I'm not a scientist. I thought PT had just recently gone 32f entirely now? (with quotes on Avid's pages saying things like "PT sounds soo much better now"... go figure... :rolleyes:) Well, that's another nail in the coffin for the Pro Tools vs. Logic debate then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Maybe it's the 48bit mixing engine vs. the 32bit floating point or whatever, I don't know, I'm not a scientist. I thought PT had just recently gone 32f entirely now? (with quotes on Avid's pages saying things like "PT sounds soo much better now"... go figure... :rolleyes:) The HD hardware is still 48-fixed. But when next generation hits the fan it's all 32-bit. The most hilarious about it is all the fanboys that have stated time after time that 48-bit is superior. Suddenly they are all changing their mind. 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 i realized a long time ago, it doesn't matter. my old production partner made great music in fruity loops. another collab uses some pre-apple version of logic on a ridiculously-old mac, but his band sounds amazing. it's the END RESULT that matters; sh*t produced in protools is still sh*t. and something great is always great, no matter how it was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nublu Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Actually, I hear it too. Somewhere between Duct tape and Scotch. Yes, to fully appreciate it, you first drink the Scotch. And remember the immortal words of Red Green, (the Canadian Comedian) "Crinkled duct tape is a sign of poor workmanship!" I've never had Logic crinkle my duct tape. So far anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruari Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 "Crinkled duct tape is a sign of poor workmanship!" So true… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nublu Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 In other news three days ago I heard Reaper being played through a DiGiCo S10 and it sounded "live-ey". It wasn't "true" music, or "pure" music because there wasn't a stitch of duct tape in sight. Don't they know? ...... sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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