el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 just found out that my mbp is not gonna be compatible with 'mountain lion' so 'lion' is my last possible update, and i only have a short window to get it turns out that it's cheaper than i thought and i'm tempted to get it thoughts ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 just found out that my mbp is not gonna be compatible with 'mountain lion' so 'lion' is my last possible update, and i only have a short window to get it turns out that it's cheaper than i thought and i'm tempted to get it thoughts ?? Think iPad and the like ... technology is headed in a new consumer direction and the operating systems are being programmed that way. The older computers have very little use for it. That's part of the ultimate for Apple to dominate the world and make you buy a new 'computer' device. Resist your temptation since it, or a newer OS will accompany your next computer purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I haven't heard anyone I know who's got it or used it say a good word about Lion. Lots of people find the whole iPad interface frustrating and miss the functionality of 10.6. Also, seeing as you've only got 3GB RAM, it could well slow your MBP down to a crawl. I'm in complete agreement with Shiv, I'm actually dreading needing to get a new Mac in the future now, because I really don't think of Lion as an "upgrade" from Snow Leopard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 just found out that my mbp is not gonna be compatible with 'mountain lion' so 'lion' is my last possible update, and i only have a short window to get it turns out that it's cheaper than i thought and i'm tempted to get it thoughts ?? Think iPad and the like ... technology is headed in a new consumer direction and the operating systems are being programmed that way. The older computers have very little use for it. That's part of the ultimate for Apple to dominate the world and make you buy a new 'computer' device. Resist your temptation since it, or a newer OS will accompany your next computer purchase. well this mbp will be 6 years old by the end of the year and there's no money to buy for a few more years, unless i go pc/reaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Why do you want to get Lion? Do a pros and cons list - maybe do one for getting a PC and Reaper too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 hahahaha [YouTube]v=[/YouTube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 hahahaha "I thought Apple was all about useability, and now I have to deal with this f*****g b******t!" That guy is the very definition of pissy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) I haven't heard anyone I know who's got it or used it say a good word about Lion. Lots of people find the whole iPad interface frustrating and miss the functionality of 10.6. Also, seeing as you've only got 3GB RAM, it could well slow your MBP down to a crawl. I'm in complete agreement with Shiv, I'm actually dreading needing to get a new Mac in the future now, because I really don't think of Lion as an "upgrade" from Snow Leopard. i don't get the Lion hate; personally, i think snow leopard was the pinnacle of apple's OS's, but... for me, Lion is light, fast. stable. i actually LIKE launchpad (at least on a macbook pro). otherwise, i don't care about the OS, i care about the apps, the work. logic 9.1.7 is running beautifully, stable. my previous mbp (on snow leopard) stalled a LOT with my running LESS plugins, and tracks. and the OS is, as i need it to be, mostly unobtrusive. it's the APPS, and the WORK that matter most, and i'm having a great time... (just my 2cents...) 8) Edited July 4, 2012 by fisherking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 ...personally, i think snow leopard was the pinnacle of apple's OS's... It's cool you've got no problems with Lion, but the above statement does kind of agree with what me and Shiv said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 Why do you want to get Lion? Do a pros and cons list - maybe do one for getting a PC and Reaper too. pros of pc and reaper = cheap cons of pc and reaper = pretty much everything pro's of lion = i loved the app launcher on my ipod touch...if i can have order apps how i want, then that's a plus for me = full screen apps...i actually spent a while last year using hacks to try and get rid of the top menu, but it didn't work well = like the idea of desktops and gestures should i decide eventually ti get a new trackpad = file management looks better = it's only 23 euros con's of lion = some people think it's a bodged mix of styles that doesn't seem to gel to a good congruent user experience = it's 23 euros here's the thing....eventually i will get a new computer, and i wont have snow leopard anymore....i will end up having to buy into a new os...i started on tiger, then leopard, then snow...i have no issue moving on thing is, once mountain lion is released i reckon it will be a pain in the arse to upgrade to lion...my specs won't support 'mountain' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Sounds like you've already convinced yourself, just make sure to backup or clone your SL system in case you decide you preferred it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 Sounds like you've already convinced yourself, just make sure to backup or clone your SL system in case you decide you preferred it. actually, i wasn't till i made the list as for system clone, can't do it.....no space to deal with that kinda data, and no optical drive to do a fresh install...kinda why i want to find out if people are having issues..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I kinda look at it like this ... If I were a auto mechanic changing the oil in my car, then I should be content to have a socket wrench to loosen the bolt that will let me empty the oil from the pan. I would be losing money if I bought every new-fangled wrench that came out that did the same thing as my old trusty wrench. At some point, the newer cars will improve/alter the way we have to change the oil and perhaps my wrench will no longer work. I will be forced to upgrade to a current usable version of the wrench if I intend on staying in business. That's if I am in business making money changing oil. If it is a profitless hobby, I would have to rethink my needs for any form of upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 I kinda look at it like this ... If I were a auto mechanic changing the oil in my car, then I should be content to have a socket wrench to loosen the bolt that will let me empty the oil from the pan. I would be losing money if I bought every new-fangled wrench that came out that did the same thing as my old trusty wrench. At some point, the newer cars will improve/alter the way we have to change the oil and perhaps my wrench will no longer work. I will be forced to upgrade to a current usable version of the wrench if I intend on staying in business. That's if I am in business making money changing oil. If it is a profitless hobby, I would have to rethink my needs for any form of upgrade. i understand....here's the thing...this computer will be with me till it dies....if there is a chance that 10.7 becomes a minimum requirement for certain things over the next few years then the only stab i have is lion due to incompatibility with 10.8 (ML) if i do bite the bullet and get a trackpad, then i would be pissed at not having the ability to use the improved gestures within osx i guess i should refine the focus of the thread to whether people are having issues that ruin their mac experience or logic experience, as this wrench is starting to look better and better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 ...personally, i think snow leopard was the pinnacle of apple's OS's... It's cool you've got no problems with Lion, but the above statement does kind of agree with what me and Shiv said. yes, but my point really is this: snow leopard was, in a way, the reinvention of leopard. somewhere down the line (mountain lion?) we'll get the best out of what lion promises. either way, the world moves forward, the OS's move forward, the apps adapt. whatever comes next, i want to be in on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 ...personally, i think snow leopard was the pinnacle of apple's OS's... It's cool you've got no problems with Lion, but the above statement does kind of agree with what me and Shiv said. yes, but my point really is this: snow leopard was, in a way, the reinvention of leopard. somewhere down the line (mountain lion?) we'll get the best out of what lion promises. either way, the world moves forward, the OS's move forward, the apps adapt. whatever comes next, i want to be in on it... That's fair enough. I'm more utilitarian about it; if something does everything I need it to, then I don't see the point of getting something new. But I'm always very grateful to you trail-blazers who map out the territory before I get there el-bo: you can always buy Lion, then keep it stored until you feel you need/want to install it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 el-bo: you can always buy Lion, then keep it stored until you feel you need/want to install it. what, you think i'm effing made of money ?? it's only 'cause it's 23 euros that i can even consider it hey fisherk, what are some of the things that you don't like about it,or that need a bit more work...and what do you really like ?? (if you have time, of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I would skip Lion directly and buy a computer with Mountain Lion. They are running out of wild cat names so this could be the last version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 el-bo, Ask yourself what purpose it serve you to update. Will it enhance your creativity or will it be a science experiment? If it's the latter, put on the brakes. If the former, back your sh!t up first! Cheers, Ski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 I would skip Lion directly and buy a computer with Mountain Lion. i'm not able to buy another computer at the moment and, in the spirit of shiv's wrenches, this 5.5 year old beast still allows me to do everything i need lion is the last compatible os for me for what might be the next couple of years......and soon i wont be able to buy it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 el-bo, Ask yourself what purpose it serve you to update. Will it enhance your creativity or will it be a science experiment? If it's the latter, put on the brakes. If the former, back your sh!t up first! Cheers, Ski at the price, there are enough little bonuses to make it worthwhile UNLESS someone comes on here screaming that "lion killed my rabbit !!" or some other dealbreaker besides, i heard logic x 'barbie edition' was 10.7 upwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I would skip Lion directly and buy a computer with Mountain Lion. i'm not able to buy another computer at the moment and, in the spirit of shiv's wrenches, this 5.5 year old beast still allows me to do everything i need lion is the last compatible os for me for what might be the next couple of years......and soon i wont be able to buy it But as you know, every new OSX version was more demanding on the graphics side. Lion is not the exception. So if you get Lion on your old beast you'll see your graphics card struggle for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 I would skip Lion directly and buy a computer with Mountain Lion. i'm not able to buy another computer at the moment and, in the spirit of shiv's wrenches, this 5.5 year old beast still allows me to do everything i need lion is the last compatible os for me for what might be the next couple of years......and soon i wont be able to buy it But as you know, every new OSX version was more demanding on the graphics side. Lion is not the exception. So if you get Lion on your old beast you'll see your graphics card struggle for sure. should be fine with 256meg of video ram, non ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 besides, i heard logic x 'barbie edition' was 10.7 upwards I cannot confirm or deny. NDA, you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 besides, i heard logic x 'barbie edition' was 10.7 upwards I cannot confirm or deny. NDA, you know... i'd say this already seals your fate : Official beta tester for the Logic X "Barbie" Edition, a fusion of fuschia, fashion and fun! 1st rule of beta testing for apple - don't talk about beta testing for apple 2nd rule........................you know where this is going.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 should be fine with 256meg of video ram, non ?? People having issues with 256 vrams: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3198002?start=0&tstart=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 should be fine with 256meg of video ram, non ?? People having issues with 256 vrams: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3198002?start=0&tstart=0 good to know....can't be arsed with that horseplay although reading through some other comments, it seems many other combos are affected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 hey fisherk, what are some of the things that you don't like about it,or that need a bit more work...and what do you really like ?? (if you have time, of course) seriously...i wish apple, microsoft...would get out of their own asses and into the real world: an OS should be simple, and mostly...invisible. it's the APPS that matter. i care about logic, photoshop, email, surfing. i don't need distracting eye candy and surprises from the OS...but that's just me... the truth is, for me it's fine. i use what i need (launchpad), and ignore what i don't (mission control). at the end of the day, it's not all that different from my experiences in: tiger, leopard, snow leopard. in general, it's fast. light. stable. THAT's what i care about. your mileage may vary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el-bo Posted July 4, 2012 Author Share Posted July 4, 2012 hey fisherk, what are some of the things that you don't like about it,or that need a bit more work...and what do you really like ?? (if you have time, of course) seriously...i wish apple, microsoft...would get out of their own asses and into the real world: an OS should be simple, and mostly...invisible. it's the APPS that matter. i care about logic, photoshop, email, surfing. i don't need distracting eye candy and surprises from the OS...but that's just me... the truth is, for me it's fine. i use what i need (launchpad), and ignore what i don't (mission control). at the end of the day, it's not all that different from my experiences in: tiger, leopard, snow leopard. in general, it's fast. light. stable. THAT's what i care about. your mileage may vary... cheers man i like a bit of both...simplicity with little bits of eyecandy was so close but these possible graphics issues might be a dealbreaker thanks everyone for contributing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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