jster Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I was just asking if the two guys who are way ahead of me in terms of knowledge actually agree with each other about the functionality. It would take me days to have any reliable opinion about the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyg Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hi jster, it's the same discussion with any software or plugin. Does it make sens to recreate the "real analogue thing" with every detail and mistake? VCA is coming from analogue consoles (like SSL or NEVE) and should a software behave exactly the same? I didn't know about Cubase coming out with it and it's surely not vital to have it for doing a great mix. Neither it has to behave the same in Logic, Protools or Cubase. I'm just playing around with different setups in Logic to learn what it does exactly to "maybe" get a benefit for my default mix template. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyg Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 concerning my remark above: I did a few more routing tests. It seems that VCA isn't working at all on sends. I have a LV with multiple different post fader sends to different // compressors and their input always shows a singnal, even when there is no sound (VCA to -oo) I selected all the single tracks going to a BUS and the corresponding BUS and sent them to a VCA fader. In that case the fader sends behave differently as if I deselect the BUS from the VCA. ... pffff ... really useless to discuss, just interesting to know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jster Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Thanks dany. Yeah, that is what I was wondering about. That last comment. I read the thread carefully and wasn't sure what you guys had decided. @ Jordi: Notice how dany actually understood that I was asking abot his very last comment? He knew I had read the thread. Funny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 @ Jordi: Notice how dany actually understood that I was asking abot his very last comment? He knew I had read the thread. Funny that. Funny indeed. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 And now it's pretty straight forward. Functionality appears to be exactly the same though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anp27 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 And now it's pretty straight forward.Functionality appears to be exactly the same though. Hey Eric, I'm not getting the difference between normal Groups and VCAs, even after reading and re-reading this post. Can you please explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Hey Eric, I'm not getting the difference between normal Groups and VCAs, even after reading and re-reading this post. Can you please explain? Groups link the parameters in a group of channel strips. So that if you turn the volume fader down on one of them, all the others follow as well. And that's not just for volume: you can group pans, sends, solo, mute, record, color, track zoom, editing, etc... VCA just gives you one fader that offsets the volume of all the volume faders in a group of channel strips. That allows you for example to keep the individual volume automations in the individual tracks in the group, while slowly fading everything out. Or turning everything down by a few dBs. etc... VCAs are limited to volume, mute and solo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivermetimbers Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I'm not getting the difference between normal Groups and VCAs, even after reading and re-reading this post. Can you please explain? here is a video explaining the use of VCA on a pro console. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anp27 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 David and shiverme, I think I got it now thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyg Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 Eric, where to click to get this menu? Never saw it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Eric, where to click to get this menu? Never saw it... Did you update to 10.1? And now it's pretty straight forward.Functionality appears to be exactly the same though. Hey Eric, I'm not getting the difference between normal Groups and VCAs, even after reading and re-reading this post. Can you please explain? I see I'm late to the party and that David has answered this. Please get back to us if there is something that is unclear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anp27 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I see I'm late to the party and that David has answered this.Please get back to us if there is something that is unclear. Nope, all good, I replied earlier saying thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyg Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 upadate ??? ahh really ... have been working int the studio.... no connection to the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyg Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 hohohohoho the compressor looks killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyg Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 Jesus, sorry I'm going off topic please create a new one !!!! plugin manager region automation and and and wooooww Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 upadate ??? ahh really ... have been working int the studio.... no connection to the world Surprise, surprise! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandeiroman Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hey guys, Great thread! I think I'm starting to get a grip on the VCA vs. Edit Group concept, but would appreciate a little more insight on application within Logic from the gurus. Since Logic X came out I have completely switched to using the Summing Stack feature to clean up and oranize my sessions. Back in Logic 9 & pre L9 I lived with the Folders workflow & window linking to "blow-up" folders work inside them and then close them and control things in that way. I found the summing stack really seemed to do this great (nice GUI workflow with the visual nesting, etc.), so I have almost completely ignored the Folder stacks so far. From this post it looks like I can only get the VCA functionality with Folder Stacks and/or just creating a VCA fader in the mixer, right? Can any of you describe a good example or best practice implementation of the VCA's when using summing stacks? I saw Eric mentioned flattening stacks earlier in the post. I assume you flatten and then create the VCA and add it to the arrange (organize it above what you want to control for example) and then can you re-create a summing stack? Or do you lose the summing stack in this configuration? I guess my goal is to not lose the tidy nesting visual organization I get with Summing Stacks. I hope that makes sense? Maybe I'm overlooking something and there is a totally better way to get VCA integrated into the workflow. Obrigado! ~pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danyg Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hi, what Eric said about "flatening" was in Logic 10.0... Since a few weeks in 10.1. the menu has changed you don't need that trick anymore. You van take a group of tracks and simply associate them to a VCA fader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nola111 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 VCA just gives you one fader that offsets the volume of all the volume faders in a group of channel strips. That allows you for example to keep the individual volume automations in the individual tracks in the group, while slowly fading everything out. Or turning everything down by a few dBs. etc... VCAs are limited to volume, mute and solo. David, I've read this whole thread and the only thing I'm still curious on - what would be the benefit of using a VCA fader over just bussing a group of tracks to an Aux channel? Doesn't the Aux channel give you the same functionality as the VCA, plus allows plugins and panning? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I've read this whole thread and the only thing I'm still curious on - what would be the benefit of using a VCA fader over just bussing a group of tracks to an Aux channel? Doesn't the Aux channel give you the same functionality as the VCA, plus allows plugins and panning? The VCA does not affect your original routing at all. You could for example have two tracks going to a bus, two others going to another bus, and one 5th going straight to the stereo out, and control the volume of all 5 together, while leaving their original routing intact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nola111 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I've read this whole thread and the only thing I'm still curious on - what would be the benefit of using a VCA fader over just bussing a group of tracks to an Aux channel? Doesn't the Aux channel give you the same functionality as the VCA, plus allows plugins and panning? The VCA does not affect your original routing at all. You could for example have two tracks going to a bus, two others going to another bus, and one 5th going straight to the stereo out, and control the volume of all 5 together, while leaving their original routing intact. Ahh ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 You're welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandeiroman Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Yes! Thanks everyone. This is very helpful!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multispace Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ah, I get it now too. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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