Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 So, I just found out it's not expected behaviour for mod wheel RBA to stay at it's last played position unitl it hits a new bit of automation info; eg. I'm playing an EXS clarinet track with mod wheel set to change between legato and staccato, if the playhead starts from after the RBA to change the articulation to staccato, the legato samples will play instead. This happens with multiple regions on the track as well as one big merged region for the entire song length. I have all midi controls set to chase in prefs. I'm pretty sure this has happened to some plugin TBA in the past too, but I'd have to remember which projects it happened in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 So, I just found out it's not expected behaviour for mod wheel RBA to stay at it's last played position unitl it hits a new bit of automation info It is (the expected behavior). Maybe you're experiencing a problem or a glitch or a bug... or pilot error, that's yet to be determined. But the expected behavior for RBA is to chase (assuming correct chase settings, and assuming there is data to chase in the first place). Try to use an EXS24 where you route the mod wheel to pitch in order to verify what I just said. It works as expected here. To help you troubleshoot your situation, upload your project (or an example of a project where this issue occurs) to this thread so we can look at it? if the playhead starts from after the RBA to change the articulation to staccato, the legato samples will play instead Make sure you have an RBA node before where the playhead starts! Otherwise, there's nothing to chase, and Logic will use the last MIDI CC value received. That's expected behavior. In a hurry right now but I can detail more later if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Ok, so the behaviour is a little different in this quick example I made. It's just chasing late, the first staccato note plays a legato sample if I start playback from the beginning of a staccato bar, then the next three play staccato. In the past it hasn't caught up at all, and I've never changed my midi chase settings. RBSChase.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Make sure you have an RBA node before where the playhead starts! Otherwise, there's nothing to chase, and Logic will use the last MIDI CC value received. That's expected behavior. Just saw your edit, I always place RBA nodes before any notes. No rush on this, I've been living with it for years now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Do you have Prefs>Audio>General>Sample Accurate Automation set to 'Volume, Pan, Sends, Plug-in Parameters'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Do you have Prefs>Audio>General>Sample Accurate Automation set to 'Volume, Pan, Sends, Plug-in Parameters'? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I think you are correct. I'm checking out a song that I have RB Modulation Automation on and it does not chase the Automation. You have to start the playhead before the Mod Wheel Automation or it goes unnoticed by Logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Thanks, kind of good to know it's not just me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Thanks, kind of good to know it's not just me! It's weird too because the Pitch Bend wheel chases. In Project Settings under Chase there is a box to check for Pitch Bend but nothing for Mod Wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 In Project Settings under Chase there is a box to check for Pitch Bend but nothing for Mod Wheel. Mod wheel is MIDI Control #1, so the "Control Changes 0-15" checkbox affects whether or not mod wheel is chased. Again, this works as expected here. I tested it again today in both 9.0.2 and 9.1.5 and mod wheel chases as expected. Turn off the CC 0-15 chase setting, and the mod wheel no longer chases. So everything works as expected. Scott, Rev, if one of your or even both of you want to upload a project where this does not work to this thread, I'll look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Scott, Rev, if one of your or even both of you want to upload a project where this does not work to this thread, I'll look at it. viewtopic.php?p=425040#p425040 I'll try to find a full project where this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Hi Rev! I downloaded your project and it's working perfectly fine but I have only tested it on Logic 9.1.6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Scott, Rev, if one of your or even both of you want to upload a project where this does not work to this thread, I'll look at it. Here you go David. All my settings in Chase are the same as in your attachment above. Mod Wheel Test.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Hi Rev!I downloaded your project and it's working perfectly fine but I have only tested it on Logic 9.1.6. Thanks for looking at it Eric. The plot thickens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Hey Scott, I get exactly the same thing with your project; pitch bend is chased, but not mod wheel. This is exactly what I thought was normal behaviour with Logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Hey Scott, I get exactly the same thing with your project; pitch bend is chased, but not mod wheel. This is exactly what I thought was normal behaviour with Logic. Yup. I've never known it to be any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Scott! I downloaded yours too and it does not chase. I nailed it down to the MIDI channel. Something seems broken. I changed the MIDI channel to #1 and it works beautifully. Change it to something else and it's "Houston, we have a problem". MIDI_01.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Scott! I downloaded yours too and it does not chase.I nailed it down to the MIDI channel. Something seems broken. I changed the MIDI channel to #1 and it works beautifully. Change it to something else and it's "Houston we have a problem". Midi channel makes no difference to mine or Scott's project for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Midi channel makes no difference to mine or Scott's project for me. Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Just to clarify. You need to change all the MIDI events to channel 1 NOT the instrument channel. I took Scotts file with the changed events and attached it to my previous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I changed the MIDI channel to #1 and it works beautifully.Change it to something else and it's "Houston, we have a problem". Hi Eric, I downloaded your file and it does chase on my machine now. You say you changed the MIDI channel to #1. Where? In the inspector the synth still says MIDI Channel: All [Edit] I see. After reading your last post which I just saw after posting my last post I get it. You changed all of the MIDI events channel in the Event List. Correct? Edited March 9, 2012 by Scott Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Read the previous post! It's all about the events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Read the previous post! It's all about the events. You keep sneaking in posts before I can finish. I just edited my last post while you were posting your last post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 [Edit] I see. After reading your last post which I just saw after posting my last post I get it. You changed all of the MIDI events channel in the Event List. Correct? That's correct! You keep sneaking in posts before I can finish. I just edited my last post while you were posting your last post. I feel a little sneaky today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Ok, so Eric, your project does chase mod wheel for me too. Hurrah! Thanks for taking the time to tinker So two questions (which may well be obvious, but I almost never venture into the event list with my workflow): 1) Any idea why the midi channel should affect this? 2) Is there a way of fixing it other than editing the event list, because, to be honest, it's quicker for me to just live with it and always play from before an RBA node, or just add more RBA nodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Mystery solved! Thanks Eric! I hadn't thought of the MIDI channel in the Event List having any affect on the issue since in the Inspector the MIDI Channel is set to All. My original file had the events on Channel 16 which was the factory set default channel on my Axiom 61 when I bought it. The test project that I posted is a region from an early project that I made before I set my Axiom to transmit on Channel 1. You are a sneaky devil. Thanks again Eric! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 My original file had the events on Channel 16 which was the factory set default channel on my Axiom 61 when I bought it. The test project that I posted is a region from an early project that I made before I set my Axiom to transmit on Channel 1. Ah, ok. That makes sense. But, it's still a mystery to me why my clarinet doesn't chase until the second staccato note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cardenas Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 1) Any idea why the midi channel should affect this? It shouldn't! 2) Is there a way of fixing it other than editing the event list, because, to be honest, it's quicker for me to just live with it and always play from before an RBA node, or just add more RBA nodes. It's super easy in the event list. Select the region, Selact all and Double - click on an event, type 1 and then hold down Option - Shift when you press Enter. You can also use the Transform window for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Juda Sleaze Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 2) Is there a way of fixing it other than editing the event list, because, to be honest, it's quicker for me to just live with it and always play from before an RBA node, or just add more RBA nodes. It's super easy in the event list. Select the region, Selact all and Double - click on an event, type 1 and then hold down Option - Shift when you press Enter. You can also use the Transform window for this. Hmmm... This isn't going to help me, because my mod wheel is on channel 1 anyway. Wonder why it chases fine for you, but late for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Jackson Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 You can also use the Transform window for this. Yeah, but it's quicker and less complicated in the Event List. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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