Sascha Franck

Doesn't make it much better.

"Let's get rid of all that analog nonsense once and forever and smash it to bits!"

Fwiw, when did the scrollwheel stopped working for adjustments in the inspector's dual channel strip? Used to work in the entire mixer (which was excellent), then didn't work at all for some versions and has at least been working in the dual channel strip in version 10.5.1 (which is the latest I had installed on the old Mac Pro). How comes they're messing around with this so often? Or am I missing any preference?

Happily so.

Well, you were trying to explain that Apple wants to sell hardware. Which isn't exactly about Logic 11 to start with, either.

See, not one of the top 10 in the stock market rankings is known for "fair" business behaviour. And fwiw, obviously Microsoft (current #1) is no better at all. I just despise all of these companies and pretty much don't need any explanation why they're doing things this or that way, because at the end of the day, sheer greed is always one of the reasons. And greed can never be justified. Hasn't got anything with pro/contra capitalism, btw.

You were trying to get through that they want to sell hardware and make money. I was trying to get through that they're selling hardware to earn obscene amounts of money, too. Which is always suspicious.

Apple is, at the end of the day, a corporation constantly being among the top 5 of the stock market since several years. That alone should be good enough to raise a lot of possibly controverse thoughts. And yes, I *am* a sort of old hippie, but that's got not much to do with it. Whenever there's a documentation about planned obsolescence, rest assured, Apple will be mentioned.

I'm afraid you'll be out of luck.

That's too easy as an explanation. "We can do whatever we feel like as each of our customers will have different wishes anyway". No. There's some pretty well established things in the world of "flagship DAWs" and it's possibly a decent idea to have a good amount of them covered. And as these have been mentioned in this thread: Region gain handles and proper time stretching for example. They're pretty much kind of an "industry standard" by now. Same goes for a half decent sample editor, especially when you stopped developing what you have 20 years ago already. Etc. Similar things might be true for, say, ARA integration. Yes, I perfectly understand why it's not working in silicon-native mode anymore, but in case it's not, 3,5 years should be a good enough amount of time to adress the issue. Ideally, they would've thought this through before changing the way plugins are called up. Apparently, that just didn't happen. All of this isn't exactly about new features (for instance, region gain handles aren't exactly a new feature, just another way to present what's already there), same with my ongoing complaints about them to completely break an entire section of zooming functionality. Hence, while nobody exactly minds whatever new things they're throwing at us, especially among longstanding Logic users, there seem to be quite some people wishing for a really intense housekeeping session. Personally, I'd happily pay for an upgrade just adressing all these issues.

Do as always: Copy the Logic Pro file to another place (maybe even zip it up so macOS has no chance to accidentally detect it) and perform the update. In case 11 is no good, move the old version back.

I might even do that - but for anything more complexed, I tend to use Zebra2 anyway, so there's not really much of a need to get into it.

Thing is, each of them could've been fantastic. But they never fully lived up. Gotta say that I like the ES2 as a kind of standard substractive synth, though (I pretty much always just skip the vector portion). Filters are still sounding amazingly good after all these years, the easy to grasp (and "always there") modulation matrix is quite handy IMO, the only thing I was always missing a bit was some sort of looping MSEGs. And maybe a built-in delay that you could as well modulate via the matrix (and hence any typical controller). Fwiw, I want a delay/modulation section on the Sampler, too. Anyhow, IMO one of the reasons these plugins see so little love is that they simply don't gain attraction outside of the Logic world. There's barely and 3rd party presets or sample libraries for the onboard Logic plugins. Steinberg has that covered a lot better IMO. You get an already rather competent version of some plugins for free with Cubase, but the full versions are available as DAW- and platform-independent plugins.

Everything Garageband users have always asked for.

No, but stem extraction and that chromaglow thing will be silicon-only.