3ple Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Hey guys! Since Logic allows us to add transient markers and then directly import to the Apple Loops library, do we still need the Apple Loops Utility? I know that with the app itself, we can batch convert loops and that's, of course, a great thing. But other than that, is there any other benefits? Just curious if there's something else I'm missing. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Interesting question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I believe you may still need the Apple loops utility to properly tag your loops for searching later. Could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 I believe you may still need the Apple loops utility to properly tag your loops for searching later. Could be wrong. When you select an audio file and use the Add To Apple Loops option, it opens a window where you can tag it. That's why I'm wondering if we still need it, unless we are batch converting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I suppose one feature of the ALU that was useful was the ability to preview the loop at various tempos while you were adjusting the transient positions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maceasy Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Yes, because Logic insists on forcing a music loop to the key of the project, if you don't want your loop transposed then you have to switch off the key tag in ALU by setting it to none. There is an option to follow tempo or not in the region parameters, but the same thing doesn't exist for pitch, which it should. Unless I am missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 the same thing doesn't exist for pitch, which it should.Unless I am missing something. There is a Transpose parameter in the Region inspector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maceasy Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Ah, ok, so you have to transpose back down if, for example, Logic puts the loop some semitones above the original key. I wonder does the minor or major adapt the scale of the notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I wonder does the minor or major adapt the scale of the notes. Unfortunately no, it's just a 'dumb' transposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maceasy Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Ok, great. Thanks, it has cleared up some of the confusion I was experiencing when dragging in loops that had keys assigned to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 You're welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 I suppose one feature of the ALU that was useful was the ability to preview the loop at various tempos while you were adjusting the transient positions... But for example if you activate the Flex and then double click to edit in the Sample Editor, you can still adjust the transients and change the tempo. That's why I was wondering, besides the batch converting and tagging, if there was another advantage that we couldn't do inside Logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 But for example if you activate the Flex and then double click to edit in the Sample Editor, you can still adjust the transients and change the tempo. The ALU has a cleaner workflow where you adjust your transient and preview at different tempos BEFORE you even turn your audio file into an Apple Loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 But for example if you activate the Flex and then double click to edit in the Sample Editor, you can still adjust the transients and change the tempo. The ALU has a cleaner workflow where you adjust your transient and preview at different tempos BEFORE you even turn your audio file into an Apple Loop. But the method I just said, is also before you convert it to Apple Loops. Just import any file, double click to open the editor, click the File tab, activate the Transient Edit Mode, adjust the transients and then click the main arrangement window (otherwise it will play the file at the normal speed inside the sample editor) and hit play. It will be playing the file at the project's speed and with the transient changes. Is this method as clean as ALU? Maybe not, I don't know. But it's something you can still do without ALU, while the batch convert is not possible inside Logic (I guess). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just import any file, double click to open the editor, click the File tab, activate the Transient Edit Mode, adjust the transients and then click the main arrangement window (otherwise it will play the file at the normal speed inside the sample editor) and hit play. It will be playing the file at the project's speed Hmmm... I just tried and the file doesn't play at the project tempo, it continues playing at its original tempo. What kind of file is it? Do you have Flex turned on on that track perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just import any file, double click to open the editor, click the File tab, activate the Transient Edit Mode, adjust the transients and then click the main arrangement window (otherwise it will play the file at the normal speed inside the sample editor) and hit play. It will be playing the file at the project's speed Hmmm... I just tried and the file doesn't play at the project tempo, it continues playing at its original tempo. What kind of file is it? Do you have Flex turned on on that track perhaps? Yes, you need to turn Flex on so it can analyze it and put the default transient markers. After that, double click and all the other stuff I mentioned. Again, it's not as quick as the ALU, but it's feasible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Again, it's not as quick as the ALU, but it's feasible That sums it up pretty accurately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Again, it's not as quick as the ALU, but it's feasible That sums it up pretty accurately. Yep. Since I don't have to batch convert stuff on a regular basis, I think eventually I will just get rid of the ALU and stick to Logic only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I believe you may still need the Apple loops utility to properly tag your loops for searching later. Could be wrong. When you select an audio file and use the Add To Apple Loops option, it opens a window where you can tag it. That's why I'm wondering if we still need it, unless we are batch converting... If Logic could do this for multiple files, yes!!! No need for Apple Loops Utility anymore. But at the moment, I need the Utility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 When you select an audio file and use the Add To Apple Loops option, it opens a window where you can tag it. That's why I'm wondering if we still need it, unless we are batch converting... If Logic could do this for multiple files, yes!!! No need for Apple Loops Utility anymore. But at the moment, I need the Utility. Yeah that's the only thing I can see that makes it worth to keep, the batch convert. Unless you use the batch convert a lot and huge amounts of files, I guess the app becomes a bit obsolete, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 BTW, there is no warranty that feature will remain available in Logic future versions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 BTW, there is no warranty that feature will remain available in Logic future versions... What feature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Creating your own Apple Loop from within Logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 24, 2017 Author Share Posted November 24, 2017 Creating your own Apple Loop from within Logic. I'm a bit confused... you're saying that you're not sure that creating Apple Loops from within Logic will be available in the future? If so, why do you think that would happen? Especially now that Apple doesn't even support Apple Loops Utility anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 There have been feature(s) (such as the Chord global track) in previous version that are no longer there... Who knows what lies ahead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 24, 2017 Author Share Posted November 24, 2017 There have been feature(s) (such as the Chord global track) in previous version that are no longer there...Who knows what lies ahead? I don't think I've ever seen or used the chord global track... But since Apple Loops is actually "a thing" (companies create Apple Loops and Apple itself has a loop browser) I don't see why that would disappear at all. My thought when I started this thread was because I truly think that since they included the ability to convert regions into loops, then maybe to them it stopped making sense supporting the Apple Loops Utility. Just my thought. Of course, the batch convert inside the app is really helpful, but... maybe they just found it useless for the majority of the features it included. I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmedia Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 BTW, there is no warranty that feature will remain available in Logic future versions... Pssst... don't open that Pandora's box... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ple Posted November 24, 2017 Author Share Posted November 24, 2017 BTW, there is no warranty that feature will remain available in Logic future versions... Pssst... don't open that Pandora's box... Haha I guess I'm gonna keep the Apple Loops Utility just in case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan.olcott Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I'd suggest looking into Loop Editor - https://loopeditor.aurchitect.com (disclaimer: I am the author) I wrote it exactly to overcome the deficiencies I saw in ALU years ago, and now that it's on version 2, I got the chance to add stuff like previewing alternate tempos and batch outputs and stuff that I see you guys talking about here. In fact, I became so obsessed with how the built-in loop stretcher algorithm worked that I was able to get a hold of its author, Christopher Moulios, and not only got the original concepts from him (not the actual code, I still had to do that...), but got his blessing to keep it up. I've been working with some large names in loop-building (Anthony Mena, to name one) to add more needed features and keep it up-to-date. If anybody here has any comments on things that Loop Editor could do better, is not doing right, etc, please let me know. I'm going to try and hang out here a bit more often, too, so responding in this thread might not be a bad idea either. I want Loop Editor to be 'the tool to use' for this kind of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValliSoftware Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I'd suggest looking into Loop Editor - https://loopeditor.aurchitect.com (disclaimer: I am the author) I wrote it exactly to overcome the deficiencies I saw in ALU years ago, and now that it's on version 2, I got the chance to add stuff like previewing alternate tempos and batch outputs and stuff that I see you guys talking about here. In fact, I became so obsessed with how the built-in loop stretcher algorithm worked that I was able to get a hold of its author, Christopher Moulios, and not only got the original concepts from him (not the actual code, I still had to do that...), but got his blessing to keep it up. I've been working with some large names in loop-building (Anthony Mena, to name one) to add more needed features and keep it up-to-date. If anybody here has any comments on things that Loop Editor could do better, is not doing right, etc, please let me know. I'm going to try and hang out here a bit more often, too, so responding in this thread might not be a bad idea either. I want Loop Editor to be 'the tool to use' for this kind of stuff. I just bought this. I see this but I notice that here it didn't change the tempo. Is there something I'm missing on estimate tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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