nathanimal Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) This is obviously not specific to Logic Pro X or DAW production in general: I've recently discovered and implemented what I call the "two finger rule" when composing new tracks. Which is to say, for anybody with reasonable competency on keyboards, work out compositions with only one finger on each hand - the bass line in the left hand and only the melody in the right hand. Reasons why this works so well for me: 1. Frees up a lot of headspace to focus on the core framework of any piece music - the melody and the root of the chords. 2. This also puts more focus on making the melody as good as possible - a good melody, working in conjunction with the root of a chord, will help outline the quality of the chord without much need for help from the inner voices (i.e. "3rd and 4th fingers"). This is done by resolving to the 3rd or the 7th of a chord - whenever reasonably possible - when the chord changes. (Jazz improv 101.) 3. If the potential of a song is not immediately obvious from just listening to its bass line and melody, it is likely to fall flat no matter how much "arranging" is done. In my opinion. 4. Why only one finger on each hand? Given my jazz background and keyboard proficiency, it's really easy for me to go kind of nuts and start noodling - like a typical jazzer. Using only one finger on each hand forces me to simplify - and with music, like garlic - less is more. (Again, in my opinion.) Thoughts? Edited January 7, 2019 by nathanimal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Interesting point if view! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 This is obviously not specific to Logic Pro X or DAW production in general: 1. Frees up a lot of headspace to focus on the core framework of any piece music - the melody and the root of the chords. 2. This also puts more focus on making the melody as good as possible - a good melody, working in conjunction with the root of a chord, will help outline the quality of the chord without much need for help from the inner voices (i.e. "3rd and 4th fingers"). This is done by resolving to the 3rd or the 7th of a chord - whenever reasonably possible - when the chord changes. (Jazz improv 101.) 3. If the potential of a song is not immediately obvious from just listening to its bass line and melody, it is likely to fall flat no matter how much "arranging" is done. In my opinion. 4. Why only one finger on each hand? Given my jazz background and keyboard proficiency, it's really easy for me to go kind of nuts and start noodling - like a typical jazzer. Using only one finger on each hand forces me to simplify - and with music, like garlic - less is more. (Again, in my opinion.) Thoughts? I think that's quite reasonable and sounds pretty good. I'm a trained guitarist and composer (recently turned not-trained bassist). I really started appreciating bass lines only now when i actually started playing one. When working with roots+melody that leaves a lot more space for polyphonic voice leading as well, making for interesting songs that not necessarily adhere to melody+chords. I also know a couple of jazzers (guitarist) that tend to go chord-crazy right from the top, and a close colleague of mine also recently adopted a similar philosophy as you did: forcing himself out of jazz noodling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimstam Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 JunkieXXL actually has a whole episode of studio time about programming strings where he talkes about this concept. (I think it was one of his last ones or his episode called writing for strings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelonyc Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I have read this in some song writing books, even simpler, reduce the song to a one note melody. Find/create a great melody, then find the chords which support it. Your idea has strong merit to it; by finding the bass note. I'm gonna try that sometime soon. Can a good composing tool/idea to work with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 - and with music, like garlic - less is more. (Again, in my opinion.) Thoughts? Yes. I don't agree on the garlic part. With garlic, more is more. And well, for Mr. Malmsteen it is anyway: On a serious note: I have been taught this very method while studying music already - just not exactly in a compositional context but more in order to explore chord possibilities. The general idea being that each and every melody note can be connected to each and every bass note by a more or less meaningful chord filling the gap between the two. We were then given a rather easy melody and what seemed like some more or less randomly selected bass notes and had to fill things up with chordal notes. It was then expanded by things such as transposing the bass line in its entirety or just parts of it by random amounts. Defenitely a very interesting concept and of course pretty helpful in a compositional environment, too. I'm actually quite thankful that you bring this up as I keep forgetting about this very helpful concept all the time, for reasons unknown to me (well, as I am a rather trained musician as well, I gather that's because the "easy" solutions come in very quickly and you just don't keep going once you've found one plausible way to accompany a melody). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I'm actually quite thankful that you bring this up as I keep forgetting about this very helpful concept all the time, for reasons unknown to me (well, as I am a rather trained musician as well, I gather that's because the "easy" solutions come in very quickly and you just don't keep going once you've found one plausible way to accompany a melody). What i often do i mute everything except the main melody and re-do the harmonic structure to fit the vocals better after it's been composed. Sometimes it's futile, but sometimes interesting results can happen that wouldn't have the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanimal Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 - and with music, like garlic - less is more. (Again, in my opinion.) Thoughts? Yes. I don't agree on the garlic part. With garlic, more is more. And well, for Mr. Malmsteen it is anyway. Yes, that's true... sometimes more can be more. I came from that school of thought after finishing my music degree, and I've been in recovery ever since. But that's just me. My ideal is working "more" into "less" without leaving the average listener behind - but that is really hard to pull off. (The master, in my opinion - Oscar Peterson.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I believe that keeping all the cards open, and whatever fits the bill become a taker. That often, ifnot always, means starting with a plan which sets rules to just be drifted away from... That implies revisiting countless times, involving at times padding or pruning, which yields into a circular process. Although, fundamentally valuable, starting from the ground up (single note melody vs single note bass vs harmonic chordal analysis) approach is one (musical composition method) way among others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Yes, that's true... sometimes more can be more. I came from that school of thought after finishing my music degree, and I've been in recovery ever since. But that's just me. My ideal is working "more" into "less" without leaving the average listener behind - but that is really hard to pull off. (The master, in my opinion - Oscar Peterson.) Fwiw, regarding music, I often think along the lines of "less is more". And yes, Peterson is excellent at that. Another thing always coming to my mind when it's about that thing is Rickie Lee Jones' album "Pop Pop" - extremely intimidating recordings of some standards and such, or Joe Pass' and Ella Fitzgeralds duo recordings, equally qualifiying for a "no fuss" approach. Or some of Rebecca Bakkens somewhat electronically influenced works. Whatever, with garlic I can't agree. I can't have enough of it - to the sheer amazement of Ms. Franck who almost hates garlic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 ...Ms. Franck who almost hates garlic.Did you wed with a quasi vampire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Did you wed with a quasi vampire? Uhm - I actually never checked. Maybe I should... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRobinson Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) A textbook(!) that I keep coming back to, several times a year, is Professor(!) Jimmy Webb's "TuneSmith.." One of the many things that he talks about, extensively, is chords and possibilities for harmonization. (I patiently plow through his "middle eight," learning a college education's worth of something new, every single time. He truly is a scholar, but with a gift for presentation.) "Yes, music really is 'anchored upon' just two notes at a time." Care to delve further? (Entirely your choice ...) Edited March 5, 2019 by MikeRobinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanimal Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Interesting! I feel validated. I'll have to check that book out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUncannyValley Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) 2. This also puts more focus on making the melody as good as possible - a good melody, working in conjunction with the root of a chord, will help outline the quality of the chord without much need for help from the inner voices (i.e. "3rd and 4th fingers"). This is done by resolving to the 3rd or the 7th of a chord - whenever reasonably possible - when the chord changes. (Jazz improv 101.) I love this idea. I still find myself writing progressions first, then fitting melodies over the chords. I realize that most composition literature advises against the way I write, but it’s a habit. This technique sounds like a great way to ease myself in focusing on melody first. Thanks for sharing! Edited May 2, 2019 by TheUncannyValley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUncannyValley Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 and with music, like garlic - less is more. (Again, in my opinion.) One bite of my mother in law’s Chicken Marsala might change your mind. Tender, roasted, whole garlic cloves that gently pop in your mouth... mmmmm! ...and my father’s family is from Transylvania. One might think I’d have a built-in aversion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRobinson Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 ...and my father’s family is from Transylvania. ... It's okay, my musical friend ... I had already guessed as much from your avatar ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcT Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I love this technique! - it's one I sort of 'discovered' when I got stuck writing a transition or new section of an instrumental piece and was feeling overwhelmed by trying to match the earlier parts of the piece that were more developed. The simplicity made it easier to explore, hear ideas, and carry on. I think it may have actually come from hearing a bass player describe how with a single note he could change the quality of the whole band's harmony moment to moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRobinson Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Just the other day in Atlanta I listened to a local threesome – piano, saxophone, drums – play a very interesting piece where the drummer was laying in a very tight back-beat, the keyboard was playing one (bass) note lines (deliciously syncopated), and the saxophone seemed to be improvising over the top. The intricate rhythms made the whole thing very memorable, although there were never more than two notes sounding at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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