fuzzfilth Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 (edited) Since we all enjoy the new-old Sampler that was EXS24, today I got into my first serious sampling session on its new-and-improved interface. I need to have some facts checked and/or corrected, please. This is all about the Mapping/Groups/Zones handling 1. To get a decent amount of Zones and their parameters shown, you'd think you just enlarge the Sampler window to the right and to the bottom. Not so, it seems. All it does is increase all the GUI elements to ridiculous sizes, as if these weren't obnoxiously large already, and in full view you can't reduce the size of the Groups list anymore: Surely this is not what I had in mind when using a 27"screen. How can I display an amount of parameter data that's large enough to make me appreciate my large screen ? 2. Also, pulling the lower right corner or the right border both also move the bottom border, so in order to not push this off the screen, I first need to pull up the bottom border, then pull right the right border (and with it the bottom border), then pull down the bottom border so it stays on screen. Not sure what the ergonomic advantages of this are. How can I quickly fit the window to the screen, as does option-click on the green dot on a regular window ? 3. It seems I can look at the Key Mapping, or the Zone Parameter List, but not both. This is not nice™️ but workable with, say, 1-15 samples. But in an instrument with 50+ or 100s of samples, it's plain ridiculous. How can I display both Key Mapping and Zone Parameter List at the same time ? 4. To make matters worse, clicking on a Zone in Key Mapping display will reveal the Zone name ( which will be something mindnumbingly smart like Zone#123 or Zone 25 copy copy), but not the sample name, which would be highly desirable. How can I see the sample name of a Zone in the Key Mapping view ? 5. If there are several Zones layered on one key with the same velocity range, I can't see all but one Zone in Key Mapping View. This now only shows more Zones if they differ in velocity range. Not good. How can I display all layered samples in Key Mapping view, regardless of their velocity ranges ? Here is a comparison: Sampler: The very same instrument in EXS24: I get less information on twice the screen space with Sampler. This can't be right. 6. Instead of re-entering all Zone parameters for each new sample/Zone, I usually duplicate an existing Zone with all its Zone parameters, including which Group it belongs to, then just replace the sample and change the key range. This has worked perfectly fine in the past. Copy-Paste of a Zone now puts the duplicated Zone alone into a duplicated Group. Eh? If I push the duplicated Zone back into its original Group, it overwrites the original Zone. WTF? I can duplicate the Zone which will put it into a duplicated Group, then go into that duplicated Group, then edit the duplicated Zone, then push it back into the original Group, then select the duplicated Group and delete it. This cannot be the intended workflow. How do I keep the duplicated Zone, ready to be edited, in its original Group and not create a duplicated Group ? If someone knows how to efficiently navigate this (to me) trainwreck of a GUI, I'm all ears. If not, I'd like to have my EXS24 back. I'm serious. Thanks Edited September 8, 2020 by fuzzfilth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Hmmm! Got to take a look at that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musos Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Hopefully you've sent your very detailed post to Apple Feedback... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted September 8, 2020 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 I would, but alas, there is no way to paste all that information into the feedback form... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I would, but alas, there is no way to paste all that information into the feedback form... You paste a quick summary and link to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted September 8, 2020 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 Done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardae Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 About (6): did you try drag-copy (option+drag) in the mapping area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 Yes, but it's *very* susceptible to vertical mouse movement which will truncate the top and bottom velocity borders. If that happens to be just velocity 127 it will not be obvious right away and I know I will pull out my non-existent hair weeks later when all notes play but some don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branscobe Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Hey Chris, thanks for pointing at your post. I share all of your findings and think a lot of the Design/Ease of Use has changed for the worse. Did you get any answer from your feedback post to Logic/Apple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 No. Didn't expect any, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I wonder if they ever reply... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I wonder if they ever reply... They do sometimes... but very, very rarely. The point of the feedback form is to get information from users, not to engage in a discussion, which they generally don't have the bandwidth for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I wonder if they ever reply... They do sometimes... but very, very rarely. The point of the feedback form is to get information from users, not to engage in a discussion, which they generally don't have the bandwidth for. Understandably... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branscobe Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Has anybody found a way to display those zone bricks which were visible in EXS24 right under the velocity bars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzfilth Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 That concept is gone. In Sampler, Zones with the same Velocity and Range can only be in different Groups. If you put both Zones into the same Group, the first will get erased, without comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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