willmarlogic Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) This is something that has been driving me insane for so long that I just turn advanced tools on and off even though I would like to have it on all the time. When I turn on complete features/advanced tools, this happens almost every time I move a region. I'm trying to move it directly on the beat aligned to the grid, but with smart snap on, it consistently goes slightly before the division or beat. Snapping to bar/beat isn't flexible enough, but "smart" does this, refusing to sit right on the division. Snap settings plus a screen recording example included below, I'm not sure what I have wrong. Why is it doing this? Advanced Tools Snapping Slightly before bar.mov Edited September 4, 2023 by willmarlogic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Atlas007 Posted September 4, 2023 Solution Share Posted September 4, 2023 Have you tried with Snap Regions to Absolute Value, instead of "Relative Values"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmarlogic Posted September 4, 2023 Author Share Posted September 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, Atlas007 said: Have you tried with Snap Regions to Absolute Value, instead of "Relative Values"? Yes, both are making it snap slightly before the division 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmarlogic Posted September 5, 2023 Author Share Posted September 5, 2023 Also just realized that many times when editing automation automation, it does a similar thing. Volume automation for example - it's at 5db and I want to raise a section to 7db. It will go directly from 6.9db to 7.1db, and won't let me use an even 7.0db unless I zoom in all the way to get exact decimals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 12 hours ago, willmarlogic said: Yes, both are making it snap slightly before the division 😕 Is your project start marker set to 1 1 1 1 ? Do you get the same behavior in a new empty project? 8 hours ago, willmarlogic said: Also just realized that many times when editing automation automation, it does a similar thing. Volume automation for example - it's at 5db and I want to raise a section to 7db. It will go directly from 6.9db to 7.1db, and won't let me use an even 7.0db unless I zoom in all the way to get exact decimals. That's an unrelated issue, so to avoid confusion, do start a new topic if you need help with the adjustment of automation values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmarlogic Posted September 6, 2023 Author Share Posted September 6, 2023 14 hours ago, David Nahmani said: Is your project start marker set to 1 1 1 1 ? Do you get the same behavior in a new empty project? That's an unrelated issue, so to avoid confusion, do start a new topic if you need help with the adjustment of automation values. yes to both questions 😕 and okay wasn't sure if both are from the snapping being messed up or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Can you attach a project here with a single region so that we can try to reproduce your issue? Or you can send the project via WeTransfer or Dropbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmarlogic Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 3:46 AM, David Nahmani said: Can you attach a project here with a single region so that we can try to reproduce your issue? Or you can send the project via WeTransfer or Dropbox. Yep, I'll add two things that will hopefully help - the file I used as an example (multiple kicks snapped properly and then suddenly it starts doing the snapping right before or after the division) plus a screen recording of the issue in action. Kick wont snap properly.mov kick won't snap properly.logicx.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iaamusic Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Any chance you have drummer set to a swing or in details, hold back the beat? I’ve seen this before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakobP Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Tried your project. Changed snap to absolut instead of relative and it works fine, just like @Atlas007 assumed... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 hours ago, willmarlogic said: Yep, I'll add two things that will hopefully help - the file I used as an example (multiple kicks snapped properly and then suddenly it starts doing the snapping right before or after the division) plus a screen recording of the issue in action. Kick wont snap properly.mov kick won't snap properly.logicx.zip 320.95 kB · 1 download In your screen capture, it looks like the snapping occurs to align to the transient rather than the region’s edge… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmarlogic Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Iaamusic said: Any chance you have drummer set to a swing or in details, hold back the beat? I’ve seen this before! no swing, where is the hold back the beat detail in logic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmarlogic Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share Posted September 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, Atlas007 said: In your screen capture, it looks like the snapping occurs to align to the transient rather than the region’s edge… 1 hour ago, JakobP said: Tried your project. Changed snap to absolut instead of relative and it works fine, just like @Atlas007 assumed... okay y'all I swear I went back and forth between absolute and relative and still had the issue... let me see if it starts doing it again 🫣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmarlogic Posted September 9, 2023 Author Share Posted September 9, 2023 18 hours ago, Atlas007 said: In your screen capture, it looks like the snapping occurs to align to the transient rather than the region’s edge… 19 hours ago, JakobP said: Tried your project. Changed snap to absolut instead of relative and it works fine, just like @Atlas007 assumed... Okay, so I just realized that the snap settings aren't global, and that's why I would keep getting the issue thinking I had changed it to absolute for every project! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbrother Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 2 hours ago, willmarlogic said: Okay, so I just realized that the snap settings aren't global, and that's why I would keep getting the issue thinking I had changed it to absolute for every project! To make the way this works in Logic more confusing (I really think there should be a better system for this) snap settings are per-Screenset. So you can save a template with your desired snap settings, but if you make a screenset it will also have its own saved snap setting. This was the source of much confusion when I started creating and editing screen sets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas007 Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 2 hours ago, sunbrother said: To make the way this works in Logic more confusing (I really think there should be a better system for this) snap settings are per-Screenset. So you can save a template with your desired snap settings, but if you make a screenset it will also have its own saved snap setting. This was the source of much confusion when I started creating and editing screen sets. That’s the price to pay for Logic’s versatility… One can’t get both the butter and the money from it once sold… As you have already mentioned, such a complex software requires a thoughtful workflow, and use of templates should be part of same. Besides, IIRW, there is a key-modifier that can be used to temporarily disengage the snap or vice-versa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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