Jason S Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I am new to using Logic. Only been using it for about 2 months. And I love it. I wanted to see how most of you handle recording guitar. Or any other mono insturment for that matter. When I was using DP in the past. I always recorded the guitar to a stereo track. On DP you have the option to take a mono signal and place it in a stereo track. When I do this in Logic. And I chose a stero track. It will still be panned to the left or right. I have better luck tracking to a mono track. But, I want to know what you all do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I'm not too sure what you mean about DP, don't have much experience with it. But in Logic, you definitely want to record a mono signal (such as an electric guitar) on a mono track. Otherwise you'd be recording only on one side of a stereo signal, and your guitar would be panned to that side (plus you'd be wasting half of a stereo audio file writing a bunch of zeros to your hard drive). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason S Posted August 18, 2008 Author Share Posted August 18, 2008 DP = Digital Performer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 DP = Digital Performer Yeah I know. I meant I'm not too sure how you mean it works in DP, since I don't have much experience with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Man Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 New to Logic as well From David's reply - guitars and I guess midi instruments are best recorded in mono My question - what types of instruments or sounds (generally speaking) would be better recorded in stereo? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briandelizza Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 If it is a microphone or a guitar (unless it is specifically stereo) it will be mono. If a synth has a nice stereo effect on it that I wish to keep I'll track it in stereo, otherwise its usually mono... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Savage Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 I think it depends on what and how you record. Personally my guitar goes into the MOTU Sound/MIDI interface and the processing is either done through a Line6 Pod (making it stereo) or in Logic with Native Instruments Guitar Rig (again resulting in stereo). Acoustics either go through TC Electronic G-Natural or once again Guitar Rig. I use Guitar Rig if I am not too sure about what sound I want, but in the end I always use stereo channels for guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 i track the guitar 4 times or more rather then recording it stereo, it gives much more space that way. oh , and always on mono tracks. i actually record EVERYTHING on mono tracks. i see stereo recordings as DUAL MONO, stereo being the case of 2 monos being panned hard to the sides. even if i have a stereo keyboard, i create 2 mono tracks and record 2xmono. it just makes more sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briandelizza Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 even if i have a stereo keyboard, i create 2 mono tracks and record 2xmono. it just makes more sense... So when you want to apply an effect you either have to: - put the same effect on two channels or - bus the two out to a group, then put the effect on the group. Seems like more work to me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twiggy Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 only brushed through this thread tbh but.. appropriate guitar through an appropriate amp. sm57 in the appropriate sweet spot of the cone. as a fellow logic pro user said "nothing else sounds like moving air". peace x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness, Darkness Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 I think it is better to record a guitar in mono. if you want to make the sound fatter/better you have different options in my opinion : - duplicate the track and apply some effects (delay,panning ...) You can do the same using a bus in Logic - When recording the guitar, use the stereo inputs (or even more if you have more inputs available) and record 2 mono tracks. Doing so you can have a close mic close to the speaker (as usual) and a second one far away from the speaker (this require to play with a quite good amount of volume... ): this will really helps to fatten the sound. Mics placement is very important... just listen/read about Jimmy Page production technic... That's THE sound ! For acoustic guitar, using 2 mics, one over the bridge, another one somewhere around the neck and soundhole will be helpfull to create the right balance between warm and edge in the final mix Finally don't hesitate to record several rythm tracks and layer them in the mix to make the sound fatter and had slighter variations or dynamics ! Last rule : experiment ! Don't block any ideas ! (For example, one time I recorded a unplugged holowbody electric lapsteel with a large condenser mic over the 12th fret : I was very impressed by the recorded sound which was very acoustic sounding while the original instrument sounds was more like a unplugged electric guitar...just a bit louder...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seagate Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 only brushed through this thread tbh but.. appropriate guitar through an appropriate amp. sm57 in the appropriate sweet spot of the cone. as a fellow logic pro user said "nothing else sounds like moving air". peace x http://cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/boese/n050.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoCreedy Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 here are my 2 cents, when recording one guitar- record using the m/s method, this requires two mono tracks and a third with reverse phase of second panned opposite two guitars- record mono unless stereo effects are require, in which case pan the guitar one on left with the right channel at 25% pan and one on the right with the left channel at 25%.(vary as needed) if you're recording a single guitar and dont have anything but computer effects then record mono and add the effects to the track and VUALA! its stereo even though the track is mono. The plugin should take the signal and split accordingly with effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briandelizza Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 here are my 2 cents, when recording one guitar- record using the m/s method, this requires two mono tracks and a third with reverse phase of second panned opposite and more importantly it requires two condensers, one with a figure 8 polar pattern and one with a cardioid. The cardioid faces at the sound source and gets panned center. The fig 8 faces to the left/right of the sound source, and this is the track that you duplicate. As far as panning if you are doing it correctly you will have: Panned to the left speaker - the fig 8 Panned center - the cardioid Panned to the right speaker - the fig 8 phase inverted However I really do not care for M/S on electric guitars... My favorite combo that I have found is an SM57 on the grill and a Royer 121 a few feet back (or sometimes behind the cab) Acoustic guitars are a different story, I'll go to town with an MS config all day long... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoCreedy Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 most people should know how m/s works or how google works to look it up... my bad for not explaining it and wasting my time (jk) at any rate an sm57 will always kick butt and is less expensive and so on but for people who want to use more advanced methods m/s has its pros, but hey its all preference, and to be honest i use the sm57 route, but the m/s is great for full sounding guitar tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briandelizza Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 :my bad for not explaining it and wasting my time (jk) I could just see a bunch of people grabbing 57s and trying it... I see what you mean about getting a nice stereo effect but with electric guitars I usually spread it out with some FX. Like you said, its preference. While I'm here another great mic on guitar cabs is an AKG 414 in fig 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seagate Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Rather than recording one guitar with 2 mics you are better off double or triple tracking. The slight inconstancies in each take is what thickens the soup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoCreedy Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 you bet, but some people prefer using multiple amps and fewer takes to get a thicker sound that can be pulled off live ie Adam Jones, but yeah thats fundamental to start double tracking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploki Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 even if i have a stereo keyboard, i create 2 mono tracks and record 2xmono. it just makes more sense... So when you want to apply an effect you either have to: - put the same effect on two channels or - bus the two out to a group, then put the effect on the group. Seems like more work to me.... yeah it is. but then again, i usually sample synthesizers, and ask the bands to give me a midi. else if i get a leslie to mike... i hate the way logic displays stereo files :S anyway, double track people! forget M/S for guitar cabinets, ive tried it, it gives you wierd phasing. double tracking gives you sparkle. and DONT record with too much bass, guitar in the mix =! guitar live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briandelizza Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I don't know how I forgot to mention reamp boxes. Amazing little inventions they are. Google it. Buy It. Use it. Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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