p.millson Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 According to the documentation, Logic Pro (9) starts recording 1 bar before the punch-in locator when you're doing an autopunch recording. However, my autopunch audio files seem to start exactly at the punch-in point. If I try to drag a region to the left of the autopunch area, nothing happens, and the file in the sample editor exactly matches the autopunch area. Anyone know why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 According to the documentation, Logic Pro (9) starts recording 1 bar before the punch-in locator when you're doing an autopunch recording. Where exactly did you read this? Recording before the defined autopunch area defeats its purpose, because the idea is to keep whatever you already had on the track (if you had anything) before and after the autopunch area you define. Also, a new region is created that matches the defined autopunch area , that's why when you open it i the sample editor it's the same size. Regards, J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.millson Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 It's in the Logic Pro 9 user manual: Logic Pro will begin recording approximately one bar before the punch-in locator. This allows the start point of the region to be adjusted later, enabling you to hear the lead-in, if desired. The idea is that if your autopunch area turns out not to be ideal, for example if you get half a breath at the beginning of a vocal take, you can retrieve a bit more of the take. But it doesn't work for me. Of course you can always start the punch from a bit earlier, but it saves time to get the punch right if you can. In theory a region should be created the same size as the autopunch area, but the underlying audio file actually begins earlier. At least I think that's the way it should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Wikman Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Maybe "Punch on the Fly" needs to be enabled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 ok, I see what you're saying...and it makes sense. I actually wasn't aware of that, since most of the punches I've done have been between loose phrases with plenty of space between them. Maybe someone else can chime in? Next time I record I'll test that and see what happens. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Maybe Record Pre-Roll setting must be on in the project's Recording Settings? Edit: Just tried it, and it doesn't work for me either...I had 4 seconds of pre-roll but that doesn't do anything for the autopunch. Anyone? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.millson Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Thanks for the suggestions - tried both, but no joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Nahmani Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I believe that's the way it used to work - not anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.millson Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 OK thanks all Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 If you do the autopunch on a subtrack then you can have the pre roll recorded. You don't even need to engage Punch on the fly. Unfortunately, you won't hear the pre roll area that you're punching in from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosebagger Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 It will only work if: 1. You have a Count-in or Pre Roll set and 2. If, when you press record, the playhead is stationary and either to the right of the punch-in area, or less than the length of the Count-in/Pre-Roll to the right of the Punch-in Locator, or positioned directly on the Punch-in Locator itself. Simple really, I don't know how you guys could have missed it. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camillo jr Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Not sure what you mean by that..... In my situation I am starting with the playhead positioned right at the start of the punch in area. Once I hit record it moves back a bar to the left and I do get this pre roll area recorded as long as I'm on a subtrack (new track with the same channel strip). Woah... did you just edit your post? Not sure what I'm responding to here! Time for bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosebagger Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Yes I did, for clarity. Sorry to spin you out. It will work like that on a single track - give it a go in the morning! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.millson Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 It works! Thanks a lot - this is really useful for me. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordi Torres Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Thanks for the tip, nosebagger! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosebagger Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonnoise Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 What a shame. This restriction totally defeats the point of this potentially great new feature that remember putting on the wishlist 2 years ago. Autopunch should always record an extra bar at the beginning so we can adjust later. A lot of recording situations work like this: musicians play along in record ready for 4,6 or whatever bars, then we punch in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosebagger Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Would be nice not to have this limitation, but in your case, what you need to do is set a 4 - 6 bar count-in, make sure the playhead is to the right of the punch area and hit record. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishansson Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 What a shame. This restriction totally defeats the point of this potentially great new feature that remember putting on the wishlist 2 years ago. Autopunch should always record an extra bar at the beginning so we can adjust later. A lot of recording situations work like this: musicians play along in record ready for 4,6 or whatever bars, then we punch in. What would be the purpose of it recording something you don't tell it to record? Until they integrate thought-activated recording (which would be awesome), it only makes sense that it records what specify it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonnoise Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Gathering from these replies I realise that this feature will never implemented properly as no-one seems to understand its potential usefulness. I use Logic for a lot of orchestral sessions. Say you want to drop in at bar 26. I will play from bar 22, perhaps next time from 24 only, for the next drop in at bar 48 we'll have an eight bar or even 16 bar pre-roll. To constantly change and backwards-count the count-in seems very complicated, and also a great source for errors. Why would I want to record something I don't tell it to record? It has been mentioned above: It's great to be able to adjust the edit point slightly to the left, if necessary, later on. What I normally do at the moment is this: We drop in for bar 26. I actually also make the punch-in locator at bar 26 minus 2 frames. For the musician and for us in the control room it'll sound like they've punched in at bar 26. If they have attacked bar 26 slightly before the bar line, we can still use the original attack. If they come in bang on time we'll just move the edit point back to the bar line. Some automatic recording before the autopunch would eliminate this faff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonnoise Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Until they integrate thought-activated recording (which would be awesome), it only makes sense that it records what specify it to. No need for cynicism btw. Let's rather discuss this constructively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 In Pro Tools quickpunch records before the punch in locator, while you are hearing the original audio on the track. This is great, e.g. when the vocals do some unexpected magic while singing along with the original track, before the punch in, or when there' are breath issues. I just want to be sure that this isn't possible in Logic. Unless you activate the Record pre-roll. But then you don't hear the original track. Of course I could always record on a new track, and then select Pack Take Folder. It's just something I find in Pro Tools to be handy, and was wondering if this is possible in Logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devoid Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Hi there. Hope you're all doing well. Can anybody confirm that Logic can't do Quickpunch as Pro Tools can (with recording everything once you press play). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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