New Logic update 10.4.5 is here!

[elcrepusculo2015]

What's the tool in wich turns the mouse pointer when you press ctrl/shift + left click on tracks and piano roll windows background? First time I see it.

[Sascha Franck]

What's the tool in wich turns the mouse pointer when you press ctrl/shift + left click on tracks and piano roll windows background? First time I see it.

 

Seems to be a sort of quick navigation/moving-around tool. Behaviour in piano roll seems predictable but in the arrange window it's completely erratic.

I never noticed this before - but it's there in 4.4 as well. Don't see much sense in it, though - especially in the arrange this is doing completely crazy stuff.

[skijumptoes]

That’s been in Logic for years, hasn’t it? Definitely in LP9 as I would use it before two finger gestures.

[David Nahmani]

That’s been in Logic for years, hasn’t it? Definitely in LP9 as I would use it before two finger gestures.

Yes it's been in Logic for many years.

[Sascha Franck]

So, what is this function good for in the arrange?

[David Nahmani]

So, what is this function good for in the arrange?

Personally I never use it. Wonder if some users do?

[Sascha Franck]

Personally I never use it. Wonder if some users do?

 

Perhaps they're doing screen captures and release weird, artsy videos.

[David Nahmani]

LOL

[skijumptoes]

The trick to that tool is to not hold the button down but to do very quick swipes (Almost like a tapping/swipe motion).

[schlomojorgensen]

Ah! We've all been there my friend. Not quite knowing what to do down there…

[Sascha Franck]

The trick to that tool is to not hold the button down but to do very quick swipes (Almost like a tapping/swipe motion).

 

Yeah, that works. But for it to really make sense, it should as well work with just regions being visible. If you stop on a space covered with regions, there's no going back.

[elcrepusculo2015]

I'v found somenthing in youtube... Edited June 24, 2019 by elcrepusculo2015

[elcrepusculo2015]

It seems it has to do with appling fades in a quicker way as this youtuber explains in 1:44

Although haven't tested it my self yet.

[Sascha Franck]

It seems it has to do with appling fades in a quicker way as this youtuber explains in 1:44

Although haven't tested it my self yet.

 

Quite interesting, gonna check that out later on. Thanks!

[David Nahmani]

Yes, Control-Shift allows you to apply fades without having to switch to the fade tool. But that means that that key combination has two different uses depending on wether you start dragging in the background (scrolling) or in a region (applying a fade).

[fuzzfilth]

Yes, that's weird. If you start dragging from inside a Region you get a fade (which implies that you're zoomed considerably) but if you start from outside it, you'll whizz 8.7km east. Which, in that zoom factor, is *really* far away.

[David Nahmani]

(which implies that you're zoomed considerably)

Not necessarily.

[fuzzfilth]

...in the sense that you're not seeing the entire project, you're looking at a couple of bars, probably less.

[David Nahmani]

...in the sense that you're not seeing the entire project, you're looking at a couple of bars, probably less.

I'm not sure what you mean. I can be completely zoomed out, see my entire project, and use Control-Shift to apply fades.

[fuzzfilth]

Yes, you can, but its highly inaccurate. If you want to see how that 16th note on the bass track or a 65 tracks arrangement drops off where you want to place a fadeout of like 45ms on it with a slightly inward-bent curve, you will zoom in fairly close both horizontally and vertically to see what you're doing.

[David Nahmani]

Yes, you can, but its highly inaccurate.

Ok but I was under the impression that you were saying it as if it were specific to using Control-Shift as a shortcut? I get the same accuracy wether I use Control-Shift as a shortcut or wether I use a Fade tool. In both case, I can do broad fades while zoomed out, and for finer work I zoom in further.

[fuzzfilth]

Correct

[David Nahmani]

Gotcha.

[Sascha Franck]

Btw, it's quite nice having the fade tool available all the time (pretty much the same as with the zoom tool), now I can perhaps reserve the CMD-click for the marquee tool. So thanks for bringing this up.

If only it wouldn't go all berserk once you click outside of an audio region...

[skijumptoes]

David once wrote a post on it (Close your eyes David, it's pretty old lol):-

viewtopic.php?t=83

 

Back when it was super hip to have a scroll wheel!

[jonljacobi]

My input monitoring buttons have disappeared on the tracks, but not their corresponding mixer channels. And yes, I have them selected to be visible. I can still change the status, just not see what it is. 10.4.5 is a bit problematic in small ways. I'm expecting 10.4.6 in short order.

[David Nahmani]

David once wrote a post on it (Close your eyes David, it's pretty old lol):-

viewtopic.php?t=83

 

Back when it was super hip to have a scroll wheel!

Indeed, that was .... quite a while ago!!!

[Ploki]

Also found blurry crap on my setup, but it's the smart control.

[fuzzfilth]

Ok, so two weeks ago I updated two computers from Sierra to High Sierra to be able to use 10.4.5 over 10.4.4. Should not be too big a step, you would think.

 

It's absolute crash hell. Clicking on anything can crash Logic, can be an Environment button, can be a Tempo entry, can be hitting play, can be clicking a Region. Crash reports usually zone in on a thread called SeqTimer.

 

I have projects to work on in the studio and shows to play. I'm back to 10.4.4. I will downgrade to Sierra without batting an eyelid in case the crashes don't subside.

 

After the absolute trainwreck that 10.4.2 was, that's not an overly long success story so far. It seems quality control is at an all time low at Apple.

[Sascha Franck]

It's absolute crash hell. Clicking on anything can crash Logic, can be an Environment button, can be a Tempo entry, can be hitting play, can be clicking a Region. Crash reports usually zone in on a thread called SeqTimer.

 

I have no idea what "SeqTimer" might translate to, but I can second the "any kind of click can cause certain troubles" emotion. As said, I had crashes selecting the "trim" function in the audio editor (it did crash instantly, not while performing the trim), there's all kinds of kind weird mouse behaviour too, maybe the mousepointer not dissapearing on "first mixer contact" and the loss of the ability to control channel strip elements with the mouse wheel in the inspector are related to that. It's absolutely unlikely that either of these have been implemented intentionally - they seem to be byproducts of something related to mouse/trackpad operation being changed under the hood (for whatever reasons).

 

Having said that, during the last days things were running rather smooth over here (I didn't work too much in Logic, though, so that might be related...).

 

Fwiw, did you try trashing your Logic preferences? Perhaps that might help a bit - at least it's what I did (after exporting my KCs!) and I experienced no crashes ever since. Could perhaps also be related to updating the OS rather than using a fresh install, so maybe trashing the preferences would help a bit due to that as well.

 

After the absolute trainwreck that 10.4.2 was, that's not an overly long success story so far. It seems quality control is at an all time low at Apple.

 

I'm afraid I have to agree. As said, for me 4.5 isn't terribly bad by now, but there's all these small things making it smell like a half-baked release that they had to get out in a kinda rush to prove whatever it might be ("Look, you can finally create huge templates with Logic as well!").