Logic Pro X - 10.2 is out

[Multispace]

I can't see my Alchemy legacy content. There's no 'legacy' option when I choose sound library in the last column header.

Maybe because my legacy Alchemy content is on another location than the default install location? If someone else who also have their legacy Alchemy content installed on a different location and still get it to show up in Alchemy, I would love to hear how it's done.

 

Mark

 

Solved! I opened my original Alchemy 1.5 and somehow the connection was lost with my Alchemy content folder. So I told Alchemy where the content is, closed Alchemy 1.5 and opened the new Alchemy and did a library refresh and voila, it's there now!

[oscwilde]

 

It is retina optimized, but majority of plugins aren't, and new Alchemy 2.0 isn't either.

 

With dev power and resources apple has, compared to some other DAW companies, i find it hard to believe its so hard for them.

 

And Alchemy 2.0 is new :/ So they implemented new plugin, new code, thats not retina optimized.

 

I'd look at the massive amount of changes that the Audio Engineering team have integrated since LPX was first delivered a year ago. There have been heaps of new features added, a tonne of bugs fixed, and also a number of updated retina resources - notably Compressor.

This would suggest that they're focused on enhancing performance/addressing the issues that folks here and elsewhere have raised. It would also suggest that resources are being used to sort out technical functions/underpinnings - and when resources are available to do things like the Compressor re-skin, they will eventually be used to update the UI of other plug-ins.

Personally, I'd rather have enhanced, stable functionality than a pretty UI that crashed every 5 minutes.

I do understand that an enhanced UI is important for workflow/ergonomics, but it's not a showstopper.

 

Regarding Alchemy - Camel closed it's doors in February (according to various online resources). It's now August. So in that 6 months, the Camel devs implemented all of the V2 functions (there's a lot of changes under-the-hood, from 1.5), added support for EXS library, converted old libraries, integrated the plug-in at a deep level in a new host, etc. etc. Logic engineers could help with integration, but not Camel's code. Camel's engineers would need to learn different tools, APIs, processes, etc. etc. The fact that Alchemy was added to Logic in such a short timeframe - even without all of the new V2 stuff - is actually pretty amazing.

Apple is a big company, yes....but exceptional DSP engineers are a very scarce commodity because it's a very specialised field. Maybe this is why Apple purchased Camel - they wanted the IP and the staff, just as they did with Emagic.

 

Be patient. It's clear that the devs are working hard to improve our favourite DAW, and they're making good progress - two significant updates in a year is nothing to sneeze at. I'm sure that the non-retina UI elements will be addressed in due course.

[logic8mine]

Loving the update thus far. Not so much Alchemy, as I really don't know what that is or when I would use it. I'm another real instrument guy. But, there are a lot of... niceties that I am discovering as I work. I am having an issue with several projects not opening however I can't quite locate the source of the conflict because, even when I start a new project and import the Track's Aux's etc... I am still getting crashes. It is in Contact however and either Alicia Keys, Basis or Session Horns. I now have Session Horns Pro installed... Edited August 28, 2015 by logic8mine

[logic8mine]

Hi guys, has anyone had any issues opening current/older projects in 10.2 and continuing to work on it?

Missed your post. I am having same issues with some projects. I've narrowed my issue down to one of three sources in Contact. posted above

[logic8mine]

The “Catch Playhead” in Piano Roll seems to be behaving better in 10.2.

Before, it would often turn itself off when you did anything in there.

 

Anyone else notice this, or just me ?

Yes, and it drove me nuts!!!

 

I personally would rather have a playhead behavior that is consistent for all editors that show a playhead.

+1

Edited August 28, 2015 by logic8mine

[DaveRobinson]

Just discovered that when you paste text onto the Note Pad, it will automatically change the color of the font to white instead of you having to open the Font options and doing it manually. This saves me a little time especially when I'm copying and pasting from emails.

 

Nice

I use the Note pad a lot. It will save time and clicks.

[Tribalman]

Just discovered that when you paste text onto the Note Pad, it will automatically change the color of the font to white instead of you having to open the Font options and doing it manually. This saves me a little time especially when I'm copying and pasting from emails.

 

Nice

I use the Note pad a lot. It will save time and clicks.

Yep ! Same here

[David Nahmani]

Just discovered that when you paste text onto the Note Pad, it will automatically change the color of the font to white instead of you having to open the Font options and doing it manually.

That doesn't seem to work the other way around though: text copied from Logic and pasted into a Text editor or an email will still be white.

[amiracam]

I agree

[des99]

Just discovered that when you paste text onto the Note Pad, it will automatically change the color of the font to white instead of you having to open the Font options and doing it manually.

That doesn't seem to work the other way around though: text copied from Logic and pasted into a Text editor or an email will still be white.

 

There are lots of ways to copy/paste text and remove formatting on OSX, either in the app you're pasting, or in a variety of clipboard managing software. It's a useful feature to have, removing formatting and pasting as plain text, regardless of the app being used...

[StudioQ1]

hmm am i imagining things?

 

in 10.1 i thought logic would forget my automation lanes when i closed them..

 

in 10.2 they all show up again when i open and close them yay!

 

but was that there in 10.1?

[JPV]

Regarding Alchemy - Camel closed it's doors in February (according to various online resources). It's now August. So in that 6 months, the Camel devs implemented all of the V2 functions (there's a lot of changes under-the-hood, from 1.5), added support for EXS library, converted old libraries, integrated the plug-in at a deep level in a new host, etc. etc. Logic engineers could help with integration, but not Camel's code. Camel's engineers would need to learn different tools, APIs, processes, etc. etc. The fact that Alchemy was added to Logic in such a short timeframe - even without all of the new V2 stuff - is actually pretty amazing.

I think they've actually been working on Alchemy 2 for a few years now. I'm sure there was a lot of work that was needed to integrate it into Logic but I think they had a bit of a head start. Plus there's no telling how long they've been working with Apple. There may have been some overlap before closing up shop.

[Atlas007]

Regarding Alchemy - Camel closed it's doors in February (according to various online resources). It's now August. So in that 6 months, the Camel devs implemented all of the V2 functions (there's a lot of changes under-the-hood, from 1.5), added support for EXS library, converted old libraries, integrated the plug-in at a deep level in a new host, etc. etc. Logic engineers could help with integration, but not Camel's code. Camel's engineers would need to learn different tools, APIs, processes, etc. etc. The fact that Alchemy was added to Logic in such a short timeframe - even without all of the new V2 stuff - is actually pretty amazing.

I think they've actually been working on Alchemy 2 for a few years now. I'm sure there was a lot of work that was needed to integrate it into Logic but I think they had a bit of a head start. Plus there's no telling how long they've been working with Apple. There may have been some overlap before closing up shop.

Chances are that (Alchemy perennity) was actually part of the deal...

[fisherking]

i definitely have to explore the new things (altho i just used alchemy in a mix...nice!). i keep accidentally adding markers...and, cpu improvements notwithstanding...am getting more 'stops' than usual (where the cpu is overloaded). i HAVE rebooted (and i AM on the el capitan beta).

 

will see how the next few days go...

[Atlas007]

Speaking of Alchemy manual, anyone knows where to find it (pdf ideally) ?

Speaking of manuals, I wonder when Apple will update those? It seems the posted ones are dating form 2013...

 

LPX Help

http://help.apple.com/logicpro/mac/10.2/?lang=en

 

Insts Help

http://help.apple.com/logicpro-instruments/mac/10.2/?lang=en

 

FX Help

http://help.apple.com/logicpro-effects/mac/10.2/?lang=en

 

ePub versions are available in the iBooks Store

Thanx a million!

[macmuse]

The playhead seems to also be working better when placing it at a measure, which was giving me a little problem in the previous version for some reason. Don't know whether it was a Logic thing or a computer glitch, but it seems to be OK now.

The playhead positioning is different in the Piano Roll and in the Tracks area. And it has changed in 10.2.

 

Whereas in 10.1 you had to give a very quick mouse up/down click to position the playhead, in 10.2 you can hold down the mouse for as long as you want, and upon releasing the mouse button the playhead moves.

 

I personally would rather have a playhead behavior that is consistent for all editors that show a playhead.

 

So would I.

 

Today in the tracks area, the playhead got stuck, I could not move it with the mouse nor key command to return to song beginning or anywhere else. But, the weirdest thing was when I scrolled with the window's horizontal scrollbar, the playhead followed along. I had to close the window and reopen, and then it started working right again. Not reproducible though...nothing special was going on when it happened.

[Atlas007]

Alchemy looks like quite a beast, something comparable to Omnisphere 2 !

My! My! Logic is getting bigger and better! And at an incredible price, compared to other software!

With so many improvement and add-on it's getting harder to keep up the (learning) pace...

 

Speaking of Alchemy (among others): 3000+ presets (and counting)...!?

Who has the time to really explore each one of them...?

It's probably my compulsive side, but I find it's such a waste that there will be thousands of those I will simply never have the opportunity/time to discover/explore which leaves me with the bitter feeling that I will skip the holy grail of sound inspiration in the process...

I know I could use the browser filters, but among those filtered out presets are gems...

Sorry to sound like a spoiled kid, but honestly how to be otherwise?

[lookatthisguy]

Regarding text copy/paste: Not sure that it would have worked in Logic pre-this update, and I can't personally check now, but a handy, generally global Mac key command: Command+option+Shift+V, "Paste and Match Style." Will paste the content of whatever was copied but instead of retaining its source formatting, will match the formatting as set at the document's/paste target's insertion point.

[des99]

I think they've actually been working on Alchemy 2 for a few years now.

 

Yep. And it was close to being done as a Camel Product until November when all of a sudden all communication with the Camels and all online stuff stopped (which was presumably when Apple contacted them or the deal was agreed in principle. It was officially concluded early the next year).

 

From that point on, Apple would look to integrate the codebase as soon as possible, and make whatever changes (ie the GUI overhaul) and content approval necessary for it to become part of Logic. It took about 7 months from the time they officially closed up shop because there was a 6 month existing support obligation to Camel customers which had to expire first.

[des99]

Regarding text copy/paste: Not sure that it would have worked in Logic pre-this update, and I can't personally check now, but a handy, generally global Mac key command: Command+option+Shift+V, "Paste and Match Style." Will paste the content of whatever was copied but instead of retaining its source formatting, will match the formatting as set at the document's/paste target's insertion point.

 

Yep, that's one of the ways to use it, if it's supported in your application of choice. There are others too...

[des99]

Who has the time to really explore each one of them...?

 

Well my existing Alchemy 1.x library has 4000+ patches in them, and I (bit by bit) went through and rated everything. It took a while (I'd do it sub-category by sub-category, flip through with a coffee and rate the next batch. Tedious, but when done, you can easily filter out the 1-star (crap, I'll never use), 2-star (really don't like these), then you're left with 5-star (fab!), 4-star (definiately usable) and 3-star (ok) patches and it's much nicer and faster to flip through patches once the ones you hate are gone.

 

Just do it bit by bit over time.

 

Main issue here is that the ratings for the Alchemy 1.5 library are not carried over into Alchemy 2 (even when browsing the same legacy content, the old ratings are ignored) so it took a bit of work to move those ratings over. And then of course there is the new core 3,000 patches to go through, which are a combination of existing Alchemy 1.x factory and expansion patches, and new stuff.

 

But year, if you add up alll the content Logic comes with it's pretty overwhelming - I'll bet many new users don' even realise half of that content is there at all...

[Atlas007]

Who has the time to really explore each one of them...?

 

Well my existing Alchemy 1.x library has 4000+ patches in them, and I (bit by bit) went through and rated everything. It took a while (I'd do it sub-category by sub-category, flip through with a coffee and rate the next batch. Tedious, but when done, you can easily filter out the 1-star (crap, I'll never use), 2-star (really don't like these), then you're left with 5-star (fab!), 4-star (definiately usable) and 3-star (ok) patches and it's much nicer and faster to flip through patches once the ones you hate are gone.

 

Just do it bit by bit over time.

Thanx for the tip! Problem is that some days a preset will sound not good, and another day, depending of the context, it is then just the right stuff...

 

Main issue here is that the ratings for the Alchemy 1.5 library are not carried over into Alchemy 2 (even when browsing the same legacy content, the old ratings are ignored) so it took a bit of work to move those ratings over. And then of course there is the new core 3,000 patches to go through, which are a combination of existing Alchemy 1.x factory and expansion patches, and new stuff.

Real problem indeed! And we are talking only about Alchemy...

 

But year, if you add up alll the content Logic comes with it's pretty overwhelming - I'll bet many new users don' even realise half of that content is there at all...

I would dare to state that you could replace the many new users, by the vast majority...

Anyway! Thanx again for taking the time to read and reply...

[des99]

Thanx for the tip! Problem is that some days a preset will sound not good, and another day, depending of the context, it is then just the right stuff...

 

Sure - you have to figure out a system that works for you.

 

In my case, I know the sounds I love, and I know the sounds that are ok, and I know the sounds that I hate, or are out of my genre, or are otherwise useless to me. But the advantage of rating is that you don't delete those other patches, you just get them out of the way - so on the odd occurrence that you're developing a sci-fi soundtrack, you can enable all patches you usually ignore for your Baltic Folk Music projects and start to hit the Atmosphere/FX categories and check out those sounds.

 

Organisation is always a trade off between the amount of usefulness of the organisation, and the effort it takes to do it. And I certainly haven't done it with all my plugins but for the ones I use a lot I find it's worth the effort.

[David Nahmani]

Command+option+Shift+V, "Paste and Match Style." Will paste the content of whatever was copied but instead of retaining its source formatting, will match the formatting as set at the document

I had never heard of that! That key command is going to change my life!! I just tried it to copy text from Logic's notes to an email and it works!! Love it. I'm going to be using this a LOT. Thanks!

[des99]

Command+option+Shift+V, "Paste and Match Style." Will paste the content of whatever was copied but instead of retaining its source formatting, will match the formatting as set at the document

I had never heard of that! That key command is going to change my life!! I just tried it to copy text from Logic's notes to an email and it works!! Love it. I'm going to be using this a LOT. Thanks!

 

It's the little things!

[jtenney]

Des99, you say "Main issue here is that the ratings for the Alchemy 1.5 library are not carried over into Alchemy 2 (even when browsing the same legacy content, the old ratings are ignored) so it took a bit of work to move those ratings over." How did you manage to move them? I would really like to know, even if it turns out to be labor-intensive, because I also was a heavy ratings-maker... Thanks in advance!

[elik]

Command+option+Shift+V, "Paste and Match Style." Will paste the content of whatever was copied but instead of retaining its source formatting, will match the formatting as set at the document

I had never heard of that! That key command is going to change my life!! I just tried it to copy text from Logic's notes to an email and it works!! Love it. I'm going to be using this a LOT. Thanks!

 

 

I love it when copying and pasting text from either a web page or a pdf, into a text edit document.

 

Eli Krantzberg

[David Nahmani]

I love it when copying and pasting text from either a web page or a pdf, into a text edit document.

Yes, my thoughts exactly!! I'm going to be using this a lot. Can't believe I didn't know about it.

[Ashermusic]

Dang, I did not know about that either. It surely would have helped when I was writing my books.

[lookatthisguy]

I had never heard of that! That key command is going to change my life!! I just tried it to copy text from Logic's notes to an email and it works!! Love it. I'm going to be using this a LOT. Thanks!

 

You're welcome! Yeah, it's come in handy for me over the years, for everything from designing brochures or show programs to even just doing homework. One of the smartest functions I've ever seen.