skijumptoes Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 But if you are really into the industry of scoring and producing you need some reliable and excellent working equipment.So Apple gives you the possibility. But they're screwing your back pocket as hard as they can for the possibilities, scoring and producing isn't making the money it once was, everyone has tightened up since the Trash Cans came out - a lot of companies bypass using composers in preference of sourcing affordable music from library sources, many of which are made by enthusiasts completely in the box. Investing MORE money into hardware only pushes your prices higher as a composer and that has a greater knock on effect to the professional industry as a whole, i think people are much more aware of this - but of course, seeing those Mac Pro's certainly makes you go weak at the knees - but it's great branding and design by Apple once again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musician-X1 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 So is it safe to say we won’t be seeing a new logic update until the fall when this Mac Pro drops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Complex Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 My guess is we'll get 10.5 soon, but it'll be a maintenance update. But closer towards the end of the year we'll see a totally new version of Logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Yeah i think maintenance update too, for that 28 core support. I don't see them moving away from Logic Pro X though, It still feels as though it's developing to me and not a fully matured product. I don't think there will be any form of paid upgrade/new version until the move to ARM processors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des99 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 My guess is we'll get 10.5 soon, but it'll be a maintenance update. But closer towards the end of the year we'll see a totally new version of Logic If it's 10.5, it's not a maintenance update, it's a major new version which will have new features - that's how this numbering system works. A maintenance update would be eg 10.4.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Olesen Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I have two guitars that both costs 30000dkr. Which is about the same as the new cheese grater. BUT more importantly i still run logic of my late 2012 mac mini with no problems. Quite heavy sessions too. Why does people think logic is suddenly unusable on mac non-pro machines. Sheesh..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkruse Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I have two guitars that both costs 30000dkr. Which is about the same as the new cheese grater. BUT more importantly i still run logic of my late 2012 mac mini with no problems. Quite heavy sessions too. Why does people think logic is suddenly unusable on mac non-pro machines. Sheesh..... Nothing to do with power, I'd say backwards compatibility. Forcing people to upgrade their operating system, whilst dropping support for older machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christof Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I have two guitars that both costs 30000dkr. Which is about the same as the new cheese grater. BUT more importantly i still run logic of my late 2012 mac mini with no problems. Quite heavy sessions too. Why does people think logic is suddenly unusable on mac non-pro machines. Sheesh..... It's not unusable on non Pro Macs.Not at all! But when you have to score a feature film with hundreds of virtual instruments and an expensive production in your back you are on the safer side with a reliable power Machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Nothing to do with power, I'd say backwards compatibility. Forcing people to upgrade their operating system, whilst dropping support for older machines. This! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Nothing to do with power, I'd say backwards compatibility. Forcing people to upgrade their operating system, whilst dropping support for older machines. And so it's happening as we speak. Catalina won't support the original cheesegraters anymore. Maybe Logic 10.4.4 is the last version I will ever use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 so.. now to be PRO I need 6000 USA Dollars ?????????????????.. well I guess I will never be a "PRO" you can get a macbook pro, or an imac... and do 'pro' music work. the new mac is going to be great for people with even greater need... serious FCPX people, people working in 3D... and logic people with the projects (and the budgets) to make such a mac worthwhile. look at the specs (and yes, the design). it's expensive (hey! it's apple...), but i'd say it's well worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Olesen Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 That sucks but how old machines are you expecting apple to support? Does anybody make cubase productions on a pc from 2010? A mac mini is far more powerful than a 2010 cheesegrater. Why not upgrade to one of those? In time a 2010 cheesegrater will give up life anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 That sucks but how old machines are you expecting apple to support? Wrong question. The right one would be: Why don't they support it anymore if there's no technical reasons (and I'd place a bet that there aren't any - I'm sure some hacks will appear pretty soon after Catalina is released). A mac mini is far more powerful than a 2010 cheesegrater. Why not upgrade to one of those? In time a 2010 cheesegrater will give up life anyway. Why would I? My machine is in mint condition. Besides, no, a Mac Mini is *not* far more powerful. In terms of multithread performance under Logic, my machine still blows it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stpro Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 my guess comes 10.4.5 maybe it came to me like a performance update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon.a.billington Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Logic is currently in its 4.4 version. The next version will be 5 for sure. The focus is supposedly said to be on "performance", I agree. Of course they had the Mac Pro in mind, but they would realise new Mac Pro owners will only account for a very marginal user base when it comes to Logic. So the benefits will be more far reaching. The will include other improvements as well. They've had quite a while to work on things. It might also tie in with their new SwiftUI implementation. When it was first introduced Swift had to seamlessly link with all their old developer libraries based on Objective-C and C. The long term plan was to eventually replace it all with new, more highly efficient frameworks leveraging all the technological advantages of Swift. making it lighter to run and easier to develop. This would include all the audio frameworks. 5 years later they seemed to have finally made the transition. It would have taken a huge amount of effort too. So I suspect that performance improvements should be felt everywhere across the system, but with special attention on pro apps. I'm also hoping to see some workflow enhancements.... I hate to bang on an old point, but I hope it gets a native Dark Mode. I'm not a huge fan for the one here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skijumptoes Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 A mac mini is far more powerful than a 2010 cheesegrater. Why not upgrade to one of those? In time a 2010 cheesegrater will give up life anyway. More powerful in what way? It's GPU? It's onboard storage? It's PCIe connectivity?! If all you want is a CPU and SDD in a box, yeah they're great - many people require more than that just to maintain their work and integrate with the hardware around them, surely it's not hard to empathise with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makzimia Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Only reason I switched away from my 5,1 Mac Pro was thunderbolt. I wanted better bandwidth for my apollo and my large collection of excellent dsp hogging UAD plugins LOL. I got a great price for my old Mac Pro too, they are very popular still with a lot of people still. I can see the signs on the wall though, Apple will kill them off via OSX updates or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon.a.billington Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Only reason I switched away from my 5,1 Mac Pro was thunderbolt. I wanted better bandwidth for my apollo and my large collection of excellent dsp hogging UAD plugins LOL. I got a great price for my old Mac Pro too, they are very popular still with a lot of people still. I can see the signs on the wall though, Apple will kill them off via OSX updates or something. Nothing lasts forever. All things become obsolete eventually. They’ve had a very good run and I agree that the writing is in the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Thing is, there is no reason for the 5,1 macpros to be obsoleted. If they don’t run Catalina then I will be planning a transition to pc windows, how do they say it? The straw the broke the camels back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Thing is, there is no reason for the 5,1 macpros to be obsoleted. If they don’t run Catalina then I will be planning a transition to pc windows, how do they say it? The straw the broke the camels back Do you know that you NEED to run Catalina to make music? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Of course it’s not needed, at least not yet. I only recently updated from Sierra. but I am just sick and tired of apples obsolences games. The new macpro is too bloody expensive and now my 5,1 is being obsoleted. I’m just done. And by the way, I don’t need a Mac to make music either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I only recently updated from Sierra. but I am just sick and tired of apples obsolences games. The new macpro is too bloody expensive and now my 5,1 is being obsoleted. I’m just done. How long do you think a computer should stay current in this day and age? More than 10 years? Of course the new mac pro is expensive. Apple never intended to give you a 2.5k machine and you know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) First of all the 2012 5,1 MacPro is less then 7 years old. Second of all, there is no magic rule that says a computer should last for 7 years or less. The 5,1 still holds up. That’s a ridiculous argument. But more to the point, Apple is not providing a reasonable alternative moving forward. The mini's and iMacs are not my cup of tea and certainly will not support PCIe that I depend on. The MacPro is priced into the stratosphere and simply not an option. From here the obvious choice is PC windows for many prosumers, myself included...and aside from the fact that I will lose and miss LogicPro...there are plenty of alternatives that are quite nice on PC windows. I will use this MacPro a couple more years as much as I can of course, but the future is looking pretty windowsy unless Apple provides a better path. Edited June 4, 2019 by Dewdman42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 There is no magic number that says a computer should last for 10 years or less. The 5,1 still holds up. That’s a ridiculous argument So if it's still holding up, what are you complaining about? Move over to Windows already and stop whining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 There is no magic number that says a computer should last for 10 years or less. The 5,1 still holds up. That’s a ridiculous argument So if it's still holding up, what are you complaining about? Move over to Windows already and stop whining. really. there are 3 choices: adapt & move forward, stay with what you have... or complain. and that last choice accomplishes absolutely nothing. or (bonus choice 4!) move to windows, and get back to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 There is no magic number that says a computer should last for 10 years or less. The 5,1 still holds up. That’s a ridiculous argument So if it's still holding up, what are you complaining about? Move over to Windows already and stop whining. Really uncool, trashy, and disrespectful response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundabout Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 there are plenty of alternatives that are quite nice on PC windows. It sounds like you've already found a good option for your needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 As I said already, my 5,1 still has a few more years of service in it, there is no reason to freak out and move yet and there is still time for Apple to correct their incredible stupid path...and that is the point of complaining! But in the next few years, if a better prosumer path is not provided by Apple, especially with the 5,1 being obsoleted, then I will have no choice but to try PC windows again...and believe me...I'm not excited about running windows, but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplets Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 So if it's still holding up, what are you complaining about? Move over to Windows already and stop whining. Really uncool, trashy, and disrespectful response. So what contributions can you make please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 As I said already, my 5,1 still has a few more years of service in it, there is no reason to freak out and move yet and there is still time for Apple to correct their incredible stupid path...and that is the point of complaining! But in the next few years, if a better prosumer path is not provided by Apple, especially with the 5,1 being obsoleted, then I will have no choice but to try PC windows again...and believe me...I'm not excited about running windows, but it is what it is. am sure apple will 'correct their incredible stupid path'... as soon as they read your post. complaining to this community here accomplishes nothing. try this instead: https://www.apple.com/feedback/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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