fisherking Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 one of the things i've always appreciated about this forum is how many helpful, interesting people here. but all this whining is disappointing. it's like the GOT petition; ask a million people how the show should have ended, and you'll get a million different answers. meanwhile, the showrunners only real responsibility is to their show, and (rightfully so), their vision. anyone who expects any corporation to adapt to their specific wishes, is... just wishing. and apple, despite it's 'cool' appearance, is just that; a corporation. get over it. in the real world, we adapt, or find workarounds, or... whine. sad to see so much whining here. To whine about people whining is a bit ridiculous. perhaps you're right. how else to point it out though? anyway, will let the whiners whine, and so on. i just want everyone to have a good time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) its a form of trying to shame people into keeping quiet. Did you grow up in the Soviet Union? Edited June 4, 2019 by Dewdman42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) always good to complain about something before you know the details. but didn't you see triplet's link in this thread? the minimum requirement seems to be "10.13.6"... https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/specs/ That's the specs for the actual Logic. And Apple already changed them during LPX' life. So they could as well change them again with the next update. Edited June 4, 2019 by Sascha Franck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3BC Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I'm not particularly surprised at the price. this thing is really aimed at visual developers - video, cinema and games people who need a lot of horsepower and will pay for it. And Hans Zimmer wannabes. For the rest of us who don't plan using a thousand tracks and three orchestras, you can work fine with a decently priced iMac. A souped up Mac Mini would be good - i.e. iMac without the screen - and better spec'd than the most recent one. For sure. Unless Apple (and I’m not putting it past them) deliberately code a new version of logic to be way less efficient in terms of processing needs, basically nobody needs that much processing power for running a standard logic session. My 5 year old 2.5 ghz, 4 core i7 MBP runs Logic like an absolute champ, with one 7200rpm drive on a thunderbolt port. Street price on my computer has got to be less than a grand at this point and all the newer machines look awful by comparison IMO, especially since moore’s Law broke 8 years ago and the processors are not that much faster (Have two standard USB’s, two thunderbolt/display ports, HDMI, SD, card, etc. - look mom, no adapters!). Can’t imagine needing essentially 10x’s as much processing power as what I currently have. Those machines are definitely for video and graphics people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I think we can expect the next Logic version to run on High Sierra and the next one after that to run on Mojave at worst. I think there is plenty of time to sort this out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I think your derogatory term towards disappointed people shows you to be a jerk. How's that? I think you are right about this, only a jerk would whine on about people whining, if they really didn't like the direction of the conversation they would just ignore it, but they cannot resist a whine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I think we can expect the next Logic version to run on High Sierra and the next one after that to run on Mojave at worst. I think there is plenty of time to sort this out.. I can only hope you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schlomojorgensen Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 its a form of trying to shame people into keeping quiet. Did you grow up in the Soviet Union? What the f*%@?? You having a go at us russians now??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 That's the specs for the actual Logic. And Apple already changed them during LPX' life. So they could as well change them again with the next update. or not. why not: wait and see what the minimum spec is when the time comes, then discuss? what's the benefit of worrying in advance? (seriously, am asking)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Shhh people... I know, I'm sometimes complaining (aka whining, whomever prefers to use that term...) a lot, but well, while we can strongly disagree with each other, I don't see a reason to take any of this to a personal level. Can we please back to at least only complain about Logic and Apple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I said nothing about russians, I am making a referral to human behavior under the rule of soviet union yes. here's an interesting video that is relevant.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 I think your derogatory term towards disappointed people shows you to be a jerk. How's that? I think you are right about this, only a jerk would whine on about people whining, if they really didn't like the direction of the conversation they would just ignore it, but they cannot resist a whine. am sure this doesn't reference me; i don't drink; no 'whine' since 2009, so easy to resist.... honestly, i want to read people's thoughts about the new logic possibilities. just wish there was a 'whine' filter on forums, so i would only see the more thoughtful replies. so it goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 What is it with some people constantly giving their "advice" on what other fully grown adults should post and how they should feel, why not just let everyone be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherking Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 What is it with some people constantly giving their "advice" on what other fully grown adults should post and how they should feel, why not just let everyone be? good stuff! owning your own behavior. i will endeavor to do the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I wish they would just release Logic already, that would stop all this arguing, or would it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 or not. why not: wait and see what the minimum spec is when the time comes, then discuss? what's the benefit of worrying in advance? (seriously, am asking)... Sure, there's no obvious benefit - but then, maybe there is. See, I'm inmidst of some plans to pimp this very machine a bit (new CPUs, more RAM, perhaps a used Hammerfall/PCI a colleague of mine is probably selling). Now, while I could as well make this computer the last music machine I'll ever use, some Logic bugs are really driving me nuts on an almost daily base. And in case there'd be no chance for me to ever see them fixed on this very computer, I'd rather rethink my pimping plans. I mean, in case I knew I'd have to live with these bugs for a whole while to come, I'd rather start saving that money and think about plan b (which might be anything between moving to Windows and buying a Mac Mini or a used trashcan). And yes, I think these are pretty valid thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg335man Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I hope there are plenty of forum members that can afford the new Mac Pro, loaded could be 60,000 thats insane. Greed Greed and more Greed. And don't be surprised if the next version of Logic will not work with millions of us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveLpx1 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 ...on line specs say high.sierra is the cutoff...so should go back to 2009 somewhere...ten years is ok in the land of the digitals...(IMHO, fo'sho').../s~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerochan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I wish they would just release Logic already, that would stop all this arguing, or would it! Ha! Probably not! I am sticking with Logic 10.3.2 anyway! Very happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonb Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Another shot of David Earl demoing Logic Pro X on the new Mac Pros: David Earl.jpg Does anyone know what the plugin Play is behind David Earl from the photo screen shot David included here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Play is used for EastWest products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonljacobi Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Until it's no longer capable of course It's expensive to make sure new software works on old hardware. Apple rarely obsoletes hardware because it isn't capable. They obsolete it because it makes no financial sense to go to the effort to make sure new software accommodates the needs of the old hardware. That's certainly the party line, and of course, last time I checked, Apple was under extreme financial distress. That whole iPhone snafu brought them to the edge of bankruptcy. Mostly they just remove drivers for no particularly good reason. I have a bridge for sale if you're interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonb Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Play is used for EastWest products Damn I thought I had a scoop lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musician-X1 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 one of the things i've always appreciated about this forum is how many helpful, interesting people here. but all this whining is disappointing. it's like the GOT petition; ask a million people how the show should have ended, and you'll get a million different answers. meanwhile, the showrunners only real responsibility is to their show, and (rightfully so), their vision. anyone who expects any corporation to adapt to their specific wishes, is... just wishing. and apple, despite it's 'cool' appearance, is just that; a corporation. get over it. in the real world, we adapt, or find workarounds, or... whine. sad to see so much whining here. Why is it that when someone is unhappy you seem to immediately consider it whining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundabout Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 It's expensive to make sure new software works on old hardware. Apple rarely obsoletes hardware because it isn't capable. They obsolete it because it makes no financial sense to go to the effort to make sure new software accommodates the needs of the old hardware. That's certainly the party line, and of course, last time I checked, Apple was under extreme financial distress. That whole iPhone snafu brought them to the edge of bankruptcy. Mostly they just remove drivers for no particularly good reason. I have a bridge for sale if you're interested. Yes, Apple is doing well...because they make smart financial decisions. For example, choosing when it makes sense to drop support for old hardware. They definitely do not do things for no reason. Of course it may be a reason you don't like . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Olesen Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Regarding Logic, I can only hope that I will not be excluded from the next update already.Unfortunately, things aren't looking too shiny, the WWDC version already looks quite Catalina-ready... and might as well turn out to be Catalina-only. Mojave,5 is the requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Franck Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Mojave,5 is the requirement. Where does it say so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Olesen Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Mojave,5 is the requirement. Where does it say so? The specs are already up on the US apple site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewdman42 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 yesterday it said High Sierra. Did they change it to Mojave since then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Olesen Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Here is the link. It’s 10,13,6. I am no good with the OS names so if 10,13 is High Sierra than that is the requirement. https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/specs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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